All makes sense Based on replies Plan is to attach snatch block to toe rail mast area have the sheet run to and tied off at my extra winch on one end thru block and clipped off to upper lifeline tensioned to not flip around When reaching will attach this second line to clew (leaving jib sheet attached??) and this should move clew outward the open the slot ! Let try it !!
Thanks all! John Conklin S/V Halcyon S/V Heartbeat www.flirtingwithfire.com<http://www.flirtingwithfire.com> On Aug 21, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: This sounds like a simple solution to rig up. If anyone has photos of their barber hauler or similar setup under use, please share! Thanks -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com<mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35 https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:28 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I rig barberhaulers also. I attach a pulley on the toerail at the sweet spot, with a soft shackle and string up the top of the pulley to the lower lifeline so it doesn't flop around. I keep a short 5/16" diameter line for this purpose with a carabiner in one end and clip that to the upper lifeline when not in use. To engage the barberhauler, we simply clip it onto the clew cringle and adjust. We have to unclip the barberhauler before tacking, so the regular sheet needs to be tensioned before that, so some crew have complained about it's benefit because they have to remember to do that. I may try repositioning the pulley back a little and clipping onto the sheet instead. I sail mostly solo now, so hope to use them as twings for the spinnaker sheet/guys. Any advice would be appreciated. Chuck S Resolute 1990 C&C 34R On August 21, 2019 at 9:51 AM Jeff Helsdingen via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Thanks Dennis, that answered some questions. We were trying to figure out who or why there were pieces of toe rail there. Partially confusing because a previous owner also added job track and a different previous owner had a deck job done but didn't remove them. $75, what a deal...... Jeff Caposhi C&C 35 mk1 #54 On Tue., Aug. 20, 2019, 7:45 p.m. Dennis C. via CnC-List, < cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: First, if you are racing, having the whisker pole on the same side as the boom may be prohibited in certain jurisdictions. Barber hauling is a complicated configuration. Basically, you are setting a triangle using two sheets to change location of the clew of the genoa. Generally, "barber haulers" can be set to move the clew inboard or outboard or forward (downward). Inhauls or inhaulers can be used to move the clew inboard to decrease the sheeting angles. Rather than get too deep into all of that, on Touche' we simply use what we call the "outboard sheet". Touche' has an inboard genoa track with line adjustable genoa cars, as we steer more off the wind and ease the genoa sheet, we move the car forward to keep the leech from twisting off. Our trigger to rig the outboard sheet is when the genoa sheet is eased enough that it begins to contact the upper lifeline. At that point we attach a snatch block to the toe rail slightly FORWARD of directly below where the genoa sheet crosses the toe rail. The outboard sheet has a snap shackle which we clip into the clew ring or the soft shackle on the clew of the genoa. The tail is run to a secondary winch. We can control the inboard/outboard location of the clew by proportionally tensioning the primary sheet and the outboard sheet. However, more often than not, we simply trim exclusively on the outboard sheet. Our old C&C's like to "breathe". Opening the slot allows that. Also, moving the lead forward as the sheet is eased keeps the leech from twisting off and dumping power. Touche' loves reaching with the outboard sheet. In fact, in one distance race we lost 1st place by 20 seconds. In retrospect, I think it's because we didn't rig the outboard sheet or move the car forward on a long reaching leg. One thing to keep in mind is that many of the older boats did not come with an inboard track. Touche' had short pieces of toe rail on the deck forward of the primary winches. It was listed as an option on the original order as "Inside fairleads rails" $75. So, rigging an outboard sheet may simply be returning to an original configuration. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 2:49 PM David Knecht via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I have been reading about Barber Haulers to help with reaching by getting the clew further outboard and keeping the leech from twisting off. I was thinking of a snatch block on the toe rail and a line snap shackled to the clew attachment point to accomplish this. However, I have also seen people using their whisker pole on the leeward side to hold the genoa clew outboard and up. Has anyone compared these options? The pole seems more of a hassle, but should be more effective. Dave S/V Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT <pastedGraphic.tiff> _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. 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