Sometimes the best approach when something seems magical or extremely 
unexpected is to step away to the marker board and draw pictures and a “movie” 
storyboard of what’s going on, tallying up visually everything. Unilaterally 
using strong or weak references is not the answer. Often when I go through that 
exercise, without cutting corners or assuming stuff, a solution usually 
presents itself.
--
Gary L. Wade
http://www.garywade.com/

> On Aug 24, 2019, at 4:44 AM, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev 
> <cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:
> 
> Our app delegate class is not deallocated.  The window controller is
> deallocated
> despite the member reference there.  If we keep the second strong reference
> to the controller,
> then the outline view is deallocated instead.  Nothing references the view
> except being in the .xib file for the window controller.
> 
> We had similar problems with a NSTabViewer.  When we futzed the build
> settings to allow
> breakpoints on retain and release, it was being retained 34 times and
> released 35 times-
> all inside Apple code.  The only way we found to fix that was to stop using
> a NSTabViewController
> and just manage it directly.
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 8:27 PM Jens Alfke <j...@mooseyard.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 23, 2019, at 2:17 PM, Casey McDermott via Cocoa-dev <
>> cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:
>> 
>> After we finished, the controller for our main window started being
>> deallocated some random time after launch.
>> Apparently the erroneous strong references were keeping it alive.
>> 
>> 
>> AppKit delegates, like NSWindow.delegate, are unsafe-unretained
>> references; this might be giving you trouble.
>> 
>> We allocate the controller in our app delegate class. It's a member but
>> apparently that is not a
>> strong enough reference, so the controller is released at the end of the
>> scope.
>> 
>> 
>> A member variable is a strong reference by default, so that should suffice
>> to keep it alive. Is your app delegate itself being dealloced?
>> 
>> —Jens
>> 

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