+1 maia
On Wed, Aug 6, 2025, at 10:44 AM, Joe Harrington via Contra Callers wrote: > If it's private, the group will no longer be searchable in any really > sensible way. I just skimmed the topics in the Groups.io manual, and search > isn't even mentioned. You can probably get a keyword search, but any topical > or natural-language search such as you'd run on a modern search engine, > including safe ones like DuckDuckGo, won't work anymore. This also means > that callers who don't know about the list, and there are many, many of > those, will not discover it through searching for a calling topic. > > --jh-- > > > On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 10:25 AM Perry Shafran via Contra Callers > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> My personal view is that I personally don't care one way or the other - but >> there seems to be enough concern by others to push the list to being >> private. I know that there are many benefits to it being public, but >> "public" means that all sorts of unsavory characters can access and do >> whatever with it, and that's enough for me to keep it private. There's no >> financial cost whatsoever to membership, so anyone who wants the info should >> be approved before they get access. >> >> I'm sure there are benefits to having a public list, but I think those >> benefits are maintained if you make it private and have people join the >> group. >> >> Perry Shafran >> >> On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 10:12:01 AM EDT, Maia McCormick via Contra >> Callers <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Just my two cents, not an opinion that's necessarily strong enough to sway >> us one way or the other but figured I'd share: >> >> I really don’t feel excited about feeding the giant capitalist dystopia >> plagiarism machine. I don't see "improving the capability of LLMS" as an >> obvious good. I think that LLMs are good for a ton of things, but the >> current hype is overblown and dangerous and I'm just hoping the current >> bubble pops before it does more damage. >> >> I agree that if you exist on the Internet these days, it's pretty hard to >> avoid having your content fed to LLMs; and I think the benefit of having the >> listserv be public to nonmembers may very well outweigh the costs of feeding >> the giant capitalist dystopia plagiarism machine. However, I will be pretty >> grumpy if we decide that feeding the plagiarism machine is the express >> reason WHY we are leaving the listserv public. >> -- >> Maia McCormick (she/her) >> 917.279.8194 >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 5:22 AM Mo Waddington via Contra Callers >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> __ >>> Some of us are UK based, so members of EFDSS not CDSS >>> >>> >>> >>> On 05/08/2025 22:29, Sivier, Jonathan E via Contra Callers wrote: >>>> There are 2 different elements of a group that can be made private. There >>>> is the archive of past messages and then there is the group itself. I >>>> would suggest that even if the archives are made private, so that only >>>> group members can access them, that the groups should still be listed in >>>> the Groups.io directory. That would mean that people looking for dance >>>> related groups could find them and apply to join. Of course, if the >>>> intention is that only CDSS members can join the groups then I suppose >>>> they shouldn't be listed in the directory and links to the groups could be >>>> available in CDSS Commons where CDSS members can log in and then apply to >>>> join one or more lists. >>>> >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Sivier, Jonathan E <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 5, 2025 3:42 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Callers] Re: List archives >>>> >>>> >>>> If you are a member of the group, and logged in, the numbers under the >>>> months are links to the archive. >>>> >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Keith Elmo Eldridge via Contra Callers >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 5, 2025 3:35 PM >>>> *To:* 'barbara153' <[email protected]>; 'Michael Fuerst via Contra >>>> Callers' <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* [Callers] Re: List archives >>>> >>>> Barbara wrote: >>>> > How would I access these lists if you change to private? >>>> >>>> I moved a number of genealogical Mailing Lists from RootsWeb to Groups.io >>>> in 2020. The archives for them are not private and they at listed by >>>> month at the bottom of the page for each Group. E.g. for my Essex-UK >>>> Group go to: >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.io/g/Essex-UK__;!!DZ3fjg!9gV8o9q6jEA1a6Er2YCQnai2kNjSMwFB65l8lSysasHxZnxWAwmAwH2cSfWqNeEG4wSDNCwz82fqN8Cg8LZa6z_yfaMrrI9N15Iu$ >>>> When the archives for a Group are private the message per month are shown, >>>> but there are no links, just a number. E.g. >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.io/g/Podger__;!!DZ3fjg!9gV8o9q6jEA1a6Er2YCQnai2kNjSMwFB65l8lSysasHxZnxWAwmAwH2cSfWqNeEG4wSDNCwz82fqN8Cg8LZa6z_yfaMrrI3g-yj8$ >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Elmo >>>> -- >>>> --Keith Elmo Eldridge >>>> [email protected] >>>> --Sheffield, England >>>> --I am therefore I dance. 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