Hi Perry, Could you elaborate on "unsavory characters can use AI to access our list and do stuff with it"? I get the concern Maia and others have about not wanting to make things easier for people who are making AI models (and I'm very conflicted here, including thinking there's a serious chance that the AI companies get us all killed) but is your "unsavory characters" concern trying to bring in additional issues?
The archives are currently public, which you can see by visiting https://lists.sharedweight.net/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ while not logged in. Jeff On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 10:47 AM Perry Shafran via Contra Callers < [email protected]> wrote: > I don't think that AI is a current worry on the list right now? I mean, > if a public set up means that unsavory characters can use AI to access our > list and do stuff with it that is causing the concern of others, it's all > related, I feel. > > I actually didn't realize that anything was public *now*. I thought that > I had access to archives because I am a member. Is that not the case? > > Perry > > On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 10:41:58 AM EDT, Angela DeCarlis < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > @Perry, have we had problems with unsavory characters accessing our list > as-is? Assuming not, let's not complicate this discussion with less > relevant concerns! 🙂 > > > > On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 10:25 AM Perry Shafran via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > My personal view is that I personally don't care one way or the other - > but there seems to be enough concern by others to push the list to being > private. I know that there are many benefits to it being public, but > "public" means that all sorts of unsavory characters can access and do > whatever with it, and that's enough for me to keep it private. There's no > financial cost whatsoever to membership, so anyone who wants the info > should be approved before they get access. > > I'm sure there are benefits to having a public list, but I think those > benefits are maintained if you make it private and have people join the > group. > > Perry Shafran > > On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 10:12:01 AM EDT, Maia McCormick via Contra > Callers <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Just my two cents, not an opinion that's necessarily strong enough to sway > us one way or the other but figured I'd share: > > I really don’t feel excited about feeding the giant capitalist dystopia > plagiarism machine. I don't see "improving the capability of LLMS" as an > obvious good. I think that LLMs are good for a ton of things, but the > current hype is overblown and dangerous and I'm just hoping the current > bubble pops before it does more damage. > > I agree that if you exist on the Internet these days, it's pretty hard to > avoid having your content fed to LLMs; and I think the benefit of having > the listserv be public to nonmembers may very well outweigh the costs of > feeding the giant capitalist dystopia plagiarism machine. However, I will > be pretty grumpy if we decide that feeding the plagiarism machine is the > express reason WHY we are leaving the listserv public. > -- > Maia McCormick (she/her) > 917.279.8194 > > > On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 5:22 AM Mo Waddington via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Some of us are UK based, so members of EFDSS not CDSS > > > On 05/08/2025 22:29, Sivier, Jonathan E via Contra Callers wrote: > > There are 2 different elements of a group that can be made private. There > is the archive of past messages and then there is the group itself. I > would suggest that even if the archives are made private, so that only > group members can access them, that the groups should still be listed in > the Groups.io directory. That would mean that people looking for dance > related groups could find them and apply to join. Of course, if the > intention is that only CDSS members can join the groups then I suppose they > shouldn't be listed in the directory and links to the groups could be > available in CDSS Commons where CDSS members can log in and then apply to > join one or more lists. > > Jonathan > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Sivier, Jonathan E <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 5, 2025 3:42 PM > *To:* [email protected] > <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [Callers] Re: List archives > > > If you are a member of the group, and logged in, the numbers under the > months are links to the archive. > > Jonathan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Keith Elmo Eldridge via Contra Callers > <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 5, 2025 3:35 PM > *To:* 'barbara153' <[email protected]> <[email protected]>; 'Michael > Fuerst via Contra Callers' <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [Callers] Re: List archives > > Barbara wrote: > > How would I access these lists if you change to private? > > I moved a number of genealogical Mailing Lists from RootsWeb to Groups.io > in 2020. The archives for them are not private and they at listed by month > at the bottom of the page for each Group. E.g. for my Essex-UK Group go > to: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.io/g/Essex-UK__;!!DZ3fjg!9gV8o9q6jEA1a6Er2YCQnai2kNjSMwFB65l8lSysasHxZnxWAwmAwH2cSfWqNeEG4wSDNCwz82fqN8Cg8LZa6z_yfaMrrI9N15Iu$ > When the archives for a Group are private the message per month are shown, > but there are no links, just a number. E.g. > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.io/g/Podger__;!!DZ3fjg!9gV8o9q6jEA1a6Er2YCQnai2kNjSMwFB65l8lSysasHxZnxWAwmAwH2cSfWqNeEG4wSDNCwz82fqN8Cg8LZa6z_yfaMrrI3g-yj8$ > > Cheers > Elmo > -- > --Keith Elmo Eldridge > [email protected] > --Sheffield, England > --I am therefore I dance. 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