Al Sparber wrote:
> From: "Gunlaug Sørtun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> The bottom line is that em-based dimensions doesn't have to fight 
>> visitors preferences and available browser-options. Em-based 
>> dimensions can be used intelligently within the framework of 
>> improved usability for all visitors.
> 
> 
> I agree, except I think perhaps our definitions of what's intelligent
>  use is different ;-) Here is my take on intelligent and "useful" use
>  of ems: 
> http://www.projectseven.com/products/menusystems/tbm/demos/design_grunge.htm
> 
> You probably think it's broken, right :-)

In Firefox: yes, completely broken by design ;-)
It is fighting user-preferences, and Firefox doesn't have any real
defenses. Think I'll have to give it some...

In Opera: working just fine down to around 300px window-width, but that
navigation becomes less user-friendly. Nice linear look on narrow
windows. Not well prepared for smaller screens - yet..?
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On the "intelligent" part... I think we can live with those differences
- see: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought>
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BTW: your description of Roger's site is what makes it work, IMO. On
wide browser-windows it will keep proportions. I have tested it to 3800
window-width, which is the space needed for around 500% text-zoom and
em-based width. Suits me just fine.
On narrow windows it will respect both _my_ font-size and _my_
window-width, and "forget" everything about proportions. I think he must
have applied that width-method with visitors in mind :-)

(I have no idea what Roger is "fixing" at the moment. I have parts of
his site in an Opera-tab from earlier today, since Opera is a pretty
aggressive "down-loader" by default.)

regards
        Georg
-- 
http://www.gunlaug.no
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