On 2009/08/28 08:22 (GMT-0700) Michael Venables composed:

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> Installing the Windows fonts isn't much help. You don't see what Linux users
>> without them see.

> True, but the standard suggestion for the better part of a decade (at 
> least) was to install the Windows web font pack. 

Of course.

> And it's still
> something that comes up in Google searches, so who knows how many people 
> are still following that advice.

That's exactly my point. Plenty don't, because they refuse to have anything
to do with anything from M$, or don't want to install any optional or
external source software.

If you do have them installed, you have a poor idea what those who do not are
seeing.

> Now that I think about it, I don't really know what the font situation 
> on Mac OS is, either. Should probably do a bit of looking into that.

I did a fresh Tiger install last week, and immediately updated to 10.4.11. I
installed no other software except for SeaMonkey 1.1.7 & Firefox 3.5.2. This
left me with 100% of the M$ web fonts installed.

>> You also have the option of just accepting their choice of default, or just
>> specifying  generic monospace, sans-serif, or serif.

> I know about specifying the generics, but how do you leverage the user 
> choice of default?

Not sure what you mean by "leverage". With browsers other than IE, specifying
only a generic will allow the visitor to see used whatever his defaults are
set to. With IE, specifying only generics will allow the visitor to see the
defaults M$ hard-coded into the browser: Courier new for monospace, Times New
Roman for serif, and Arial for sans-serif. Safari (v4.0.3 at least) will use
its user-selectable monospace default if the requested font(s) are not
available, same as the Geckos, but when the requested serif or sans-serif
fonts are not available, it will supply the user-selectable default
proportional, regardless whether that default is a serif or a sans-serif, and
regardless whether the requested type of font is a serif or a sans-serif.

http://fm.no-ip.com/auth/Font/fonts-face-samples-cdef.html might be useful in
confirming for yourself.

Note too that anytime Helvetica is requested on Windows, it is treated as if
the request had been for Arial, which means all the following on Windows
render identically:

font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif
font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif
font-family: helvetica, sans-serif
font-family: helvetica, 'lucida sans unicode', 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif
font-family: sans-serif

>> Your 252px limited links column is rather confusing at high resolution:
>> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/SC/sc-michve03.png

> How interesting. I haven't seen the site do that before (except under IE6).

> What tool are you using for the analysis?

My eyes? What analysis?
-- 
How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose
understanding rather than silver. Proverbs 16:16 NKJV

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/
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