<$.02> All ORBZ did was send a SPAM mail message through a suspected open relay to themselves. If the law does not provide for the prosecution of the real SPAMers, then how can they prosecute ORBZ for doing the same thing? By operating a mail server, you are giving permission for many "as yet" unknown mail servers to connect to your mail server in order to send mail. Are all of the mail servers that send you mail, and are not previously known to you, trespassing on your server?
As for the DoS attack angle: If ORBZ sent a test mail to your mail server (even knowing that it could have adverse effects on a Lotus Domino server) but used the same test for all mail servers, and did not know that your server was a Domino server; then how could they be accused of targeting a Domino server with a DoS attack? I think Battle Creek got a taste of what we have been complaining about for years: The adverse effects of receiving mail that you did not ask for!! :-) If they would spend a fraction of the effort in stopping SPAM as they do investigating and prosecuting anti-spammers, we wouldn't have this problem. </$.02> Todd -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Corey Travioli Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ - More info > In one sense, isn't this what ORBZ was doing? Port Scanning everyone, > and sending in unsolicited emails because they want to test other people's > systems without them asking for permission to do so? ORBZ was not "Port Scanning" ORBZ was only after being notified of an open relay seeing for them selves if in fact the relay was open. Yes, I guess if you had an extremely fundamental view on unauthorized network use, ORBZ was in the wrong. But what ORBZ was doing was no different than what the police do every day, baiting suspects to commit crimes so that evidence could be gathered, and the criminals could be prosecuted. > But can you see the irony in it? SPAM is bad because it uses the recipient ISP's resources > without his/her permission for their own purposes... ORBZ digs into the ISP's > (or anyone's) resources without his/her permission for their own purposes... ORBZ may use the end-users resources to a slight degree, but not nearly as many resources as many spammers do. The data that ORBZ sends in the process of testing an SMTP server is extremely negligible when compared to the data transfer necessary to transport Spam/UCE/UBE. -Corey Travioli --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
