I am confused, who are the stewards and what platforms are being stewarded?
Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-21, at 6:00 PM, Filip Maj <[email protected]> wrote: > +1 > > On 3/21/13 2:12 PM, "Shazron" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until >>>> they find a steward. This means: >>>> >>>> - we won't be taggin them further >>>> - we won't be including them in a release >>>> >>>> This does not mean: >>>> >>>> - deletion or archiving or attic for the src >>>> >>>> (Think of it as a pause button!) >>>> >>>> Agree/disagree? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no >>>> benefit >>>>> in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. >>>>> >>>>> There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to >>>> their >>>>> own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make >>> the >>>>> transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the >>> refactoring >>>>> hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's >>> JS >>>> repo >>>>> is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support >>> for >>>>> this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at >>> least >>>> as >>>>> far as the JS is concerned. >>>>> >>>>> So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a >>> someone >>>>> willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if >>> Markus >>>>> wants to do the work to support it through this transition. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis >>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we >>> are >>>> able. >>>>>> I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be >>> with us >>>> for >>>>>> a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing >>> a >>>>>> significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary >>>> platform >>>>>> of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to >>> get >>>>>> adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap >>> Build >>>> IMO, >>>>>> and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a >>> black >>>>>> box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the >>> notion >>>> that >>>>>> enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. >>>>>> >>>>>> In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be >>> maintained in >>>> the >>>>>> short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built >>> on >>>>>> Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be >>>> able to >>>>>> look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable >>> platform >>> to >>>>>> support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope that makes sense. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. >>>>>> From: Anis KADRI >>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Reply To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: archiving older platforms >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> s/QR/Qt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer >>> <[email protected] >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 Bada/webOS/QR >>>>>>> >>>>>>> echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the >>> older BB >>>>>>> platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are >>>> currently >>>>>>> being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues >>>>>> regularly, >>>>>>> and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as >>> well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is >>> stopping >>>> anyone >>>>>>>> from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related >>> fixes >>>> have >>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough >>> that >>>>>>>> drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support >>> for >>> the >>>>>>> older >>>>>>>> BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, "Michael Brooks" >>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out >>> there >>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> BB 6 >>>>>>>>>> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. >>>>>> Developers >>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think >>> the >>>> focus >>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>> be on BB10. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It would probably be more accurate to say "BlackBerry Java" >>> which >>>>>>> includes >>>>>>>>> BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we "support" all the way back 4.6 >>> although no >>>> one >>>>>>>>> tests >>>>>>>>> that far back anymore. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like >>> to >>> see >>>>>>> Apache >>>>>>>>> Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build >>> has >>>>>> seen >>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +1 Bada >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the >>> future >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when >>> gearing >>>> up >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> Ubuntu Phone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to >>> better >>>>>>>>> understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from >>> BlackBerry >>>> to >>>>>>>>> chime >>>>>>>>> in with their opinion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI < >>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic :-D >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from >>> the >>>>>> attic. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI < >>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> According to [1]: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a >>> release, >>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their >>> reporting >>>>>> duties >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> board are all good candidates for the Attic." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I believe those projects satisfy the "no active >>> committers" >>>>>>> argument. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no >>> longer >>>>>>>>>> employed by >>>>>>>>>>> the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if >>> he's >>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>> interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out >>>> there I >>>>>> am >>>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>>>> but no new devices are getting shipped. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an >>> SDK a >>>>>> couple >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012 >>> ahead >>> of >>>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>>>> Phone [4] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices >>> out >>>> there >>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> BB >>>>>>>>>> 6 >>>>>>>>>>> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. >>>>>>> Developers >>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think >>> the >>>>>> focus >>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>> be on BB10. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://attic.apache.org/ >>>>>>>>>>> [2] >>> >>> http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it- >>>>>>>>>> tizen/2013-02-25 >>>>>>>>>>> [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html >>>>>>>>>>> [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux >>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The question has come up about our continued support for: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - bada >>>>>>>>>>>> - webos >>>>>>>>>>>> - qt >>>>>>>>>>>> - bb6 & bb7 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt. >>>> However, I >>>>>>>>>>>> could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu >>> Phone. >>>> There >>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>> no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could >>>> happen, >>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. The >>>> older BB >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This transmission (including any attachments) may contain >>> confidential >>>>>> information, privileged material (including material protected by >>> the >>>>>> solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute >>>> non-public >>>>>> information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the >>>> intended >>>>>> recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in >>>> error, >>>>>> please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information >>> from >>>>>> your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of >>> this >>>>>> transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be >>>> unlawful. >
