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On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Michael Brooks <[email protected]>wrote: > +1 > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Shazron <[email protected]> wrote: > > > +1 > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until > > > > they find a steward. This means: > > > > > > > > - we won't be taggin them further > > > > - we won't be including them in a release > > > > > > > > This does not mean: > > > > > > > > - deletion or archiving or attic for the src > > > > > > > > (Think of it as a pause button!) > > > > > > > > Agree/disagree? > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve <[email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no > > > > benefit > > > > > in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. > > > > > > > > > > There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins > to > > > > their > > > > > own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will > make > > > the > > > > > transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the > > refactoring > > > > > hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's > JS > > > > repo > > > > > is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have > support > > > for > > > > > this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at > > > least > > > > as > > > > > far as the JS is concerned. > > > > > > > > > > So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a > > > someone > > > > > willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if > > > Markus > > > > > wants to do the work to support it through this transition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis < > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we > are > > > > able. > > > > >> I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) > > > > >> > > > > >> While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be > with > > us > > > > for > > > > >> a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are > seeing a > > > > >> significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary > > > > platform > > > > >> of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to > > get > > > > >> adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap > > Build > > > > IMO, > > > > >> and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a > > > black > > > > >> box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the > notion > > > > that > > > > >> enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. > > > > >> > > > > >> In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be > maintained > > in > > > > the > > > > >> short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built > > on > > > > >> Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then > be > > > > able to > > > > >> look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable > platform > > > to > > > > >> support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. > > > > >> > > > > >> Hope that makes sense. > > > > >> > > > > >> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. > > > > >> From: Anis KADRI > > > > >> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM > > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > > >> Reply To: [email protected] > > > > >> Subject: Re: archiving older platforms > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> s/QR/Qt > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer < > > [email protected] > > > > >> >wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > +1 Bada/webOS/QR > > > > >> > > > > > >> > echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the > older > > BB > > > > >> > platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are > > > > currently > > > > >> > being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues > > > > >> regularly, > > > > >> > and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as > > > well. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is > stopping > > > > anyone > > > > >> > > from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related > > fixes > > > > have > > > > >> > not > > > > >> > > been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough > > > that > > > > >> > > drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support > for > > > the > > > > >> > older > > > > >> > > BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, "Michael Brooks" < > [email protected] > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out > > > there > > > > >> are > > > > >> > > >>BB 6 > > > > >> > > >> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. > > > > >> Developers > > > > >> > > >>don't > > > > >> > > >> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think > > the > > > > focus > > > > >> > > >>should > > > > >> > > >> be on BB10. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >It would probably be more accurate to say "BlackBerry Java" > > which > > > > >> > includes > > > > >> > > >BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we "support" all the way back 4.6 > although > > no > > > > one > > > > >> > > >tests > > > > >> > > >that far back anymore. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like > to > > > see > > > > >> > Apache > > > > >> > > >Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, > PhoneGap/Build > > > has > > > > >> seen > > > > >> > a > > > > >> > > >large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >+1 Bada > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >+1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the > > > future > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >+1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when > > > gearing > > > > up > > > > >> > for > > > > >> > > >Ubuntu Phone > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >+0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to > > better > > > > >> > > >understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from > > > BlackBerry > > > > to > > > > >> > > >chime > > > > >> > > >in with their opinion. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic > :-D > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from > > the > > > > >> attic. > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > >> > > >>wrote: > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > According to [1]: > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a > > > release, > > > > >> who > > > > >> > > >>have > > > > >> > > >> > no active committers or are unable to fulfill their > > reporting > > > > >> duties > > > > >> > > >>to > > > > >> > > >> the > > > > >> > > >> > board are all good candidates for the Attic." > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > I believe those projects satisfy the "no active > committers" > > > > >> > argument. > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS. > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no > > longer > > > > >> > > >>employed by > > > > >> > > >> > the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if > > he's > > > > >> still > > > > >> > > >> > interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out > > > > there I > > > > >> am > > > > >> > > >>sure > > > > >> > > >> > but no new devices are getting shipped. > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an > SDK > > a > > > > >> couple > > > > >> > of > > > > >> > > >> > weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012 > > ahead > > > of > > > > >> > > >>Windows > > > > >> > > >> > Phone [4] > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices > out > > > > there > > > > >> > are > > > > >> > > >>BB > > > > >> > > >> 6 > > > > >> > > >> > and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many > yet. > > > > >> > Developers > > > > >> > > >> don't > > > > >> > > >> > seem to be interested in those platform though and I > think > > > the > > > > >> focus > > > > >> > > >> should > > > > >> > > >> > be on BB10. > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > [1] http://attic.apache.org/ > > > > >> > > >> > [2] > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it- > > > > >> > > >>tizen/2013-02-25 > > > > >> > > >> > [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html > > > > >> > > >> > [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315 > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux < > [email protected] > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> The question has come up about our continued support > for: > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> - bada > > > > >> > > >> >> - webos > > > > >> > > >> >> - qt > > > > >> > > >> >> - bb6 & bb7 > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt. > > > > However, I > > > > >> > > >> >> could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu > Phone. > > > > There > > > > >> > are > > > > >> > > >> >> no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could > > > > happen, > > > > >> it > > > > >> > > >> >> seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. The > > > > older BB > > > > >> > > >> >> platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10. > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> Thoughts? > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> This transmission (including any attachments) may contain > > confidential > > > > >> information, privileged material (including material protected by > > the > > > > >> solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute > > > > non-public > > > > >> information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the > > > > intended > > > > >> recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in > > > > error, > > > > >> please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information > > > from > > > > >> your system. 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