+1 to negligence, or might it be ignorance? The attic sounds like its where you put code you're ashamed of.
Cheers, Jesse Sent from my iPhone5.5 On 2013-03-21, at 3:41 PM, Brian LeRoux <[email protected]> wrote: Attic seems like more work than outright neglect. Might be for conceptual purity we want to move Bada there but I could see Qt and webOS rising from their slumber. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Anis KADRI <[email protected]> wrote: > and no apache attic [1] ? > > [1] http://attic.apache.org/ > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Brian LeRoux <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This means we're going to leave Bada, Qt, webOS at their latest tags, >> and not dist. (Code still accessible, etc.) >> >> We'll continue as normal for BB, for now. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Gord Tanner <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I am confused, who are the stewards and what platforms are being >> stewarded? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 2013-03-21, at 6:00 PM, Filip Maj <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> On 3/21/13 2:12 PM, "Shazron" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> +1 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until >>>>>>> they find a steward. This means: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - we won't be taggin them further >>>>>>> - we won't be including them in a release >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This does not mean: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - deletion or archiving or attic for the src >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Think of it as a pause button!) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Agree/disagree? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve <[email protected] >>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no >>>>>>> benefit >>>>>>>> in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to >>>>>>> their >>>>>>>> own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the >>>>>> refactoring >>>>>>>> hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's >>>>>> JS >>>>>>> repo >>>>>>>> is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support >>>>>> for >>>>>>>> this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at >>>>>> least >>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> far as the JS is concerned. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a >>>>>> someone >>>>>>>> willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if >>>>>> Markus >>>>>>>> wants to do the work to support it through this transition. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we >>>>>> are >>>>>>> able. >>>>>>>>> I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be >>>>>> with us >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing >>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary >>>>>>> platform >>>>>>>>> of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to >>>>>> get >>>>>>>>> adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap >>>>>> Build >>>>>>> IMO, >>>>>>>>> and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a >>>>>> black >>>>>>>>> box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the >>>>>> notion >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be >>>>>> maintained in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built >>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be >>>>>>> able to >>>>>>>>> look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable >>>>>> platform >>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hope that makes sense. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. >>>>>>>>> From: Anis KADRI >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Reply To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: archiving older platforms >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> s/QR/Qt >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer >>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> +1 Bada/webOS/QR >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the >>>>>> older BB >>>>>>>>>> platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are >>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>> being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues >>>>>>>>> regularly, >>>>>>>>>> and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as >>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is >>>>>> stopping >>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>>> from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related >>>>>> fixes >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough >>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support >>>>>> for >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> older >>>>>>>>>>> BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, "Michael Brooks" >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out >>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>> BB 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. >>>>>>>>> Developers >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think >>>>>> the >>>>>>> focus >>>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>>> be on BB10. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It would probably be more accurate to say "BlackBerry Java" >>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>> includes >>>>>>>>>>>> BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we "support" all the way back 4.6 >>>>>> although no >>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>> tests >>>>>>>>>>>> that far back anymore. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like >>>>>> to >>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>> Apache >>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build >>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> seen >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 Bada >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the >>>>>> future >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when >>>>>> gearing >>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu Phone >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> +0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to >>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>> understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from >>>>>> BlackBerry >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> chime >>>>>>>>>>>> in with their opinion. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI < >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic :-D >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> attic. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> According to [1]: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a >>>>>> release, >>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their >>>>>> reporting >>>>>>>>> duties >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> board are all good candidates for the Attic." >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe those projects satisfy the "no active >>>>>> committers" >>>>>>>>>> argument. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no >>>>>> longer >>>>>>>>>>>>> employed by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if >>>>>> he's >>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out >>>>>>> there I >>>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but no new devices are getting shipped. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an >>>>>> SDK a >>>>>>>>> couple >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012 >>>>>> ahead >>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone [4] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices >>>>>> out >>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>> BB >>>>>>>>>>>>> 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. >>>>>>>>>> Developers >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> focus >>>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be on BB10. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://attic.apache.org/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] >> http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it- >>>>>>>>>>>>> tizen/2013-02-25 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question has come up about our continued support for: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - bada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - webos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - qt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - bb6 & bb7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt. >>>>>>> However, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu >>>>>> Phone. >>>>>>> There >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could >>>>>>> happen, >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. The >>>>>>> older BB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> This transmission (including any attachments) may contain >>>>>> confidential >>>>>>>>> information, privileged material (including material protected by >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute >>>>>>> non-public >>>>>>>>> information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the >>>>>>> intended >>>>>>>>> recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in >>>>>>> error, >>>>>>>>> please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information >>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of >>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be >>>>>>> unlawful. >>
