I don't think we can put unused platforms in the Apache Attic - I think its for complete projects AFAIK http://attic.apache.org/
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Lorin Beer <[email protected]>wrote: > +1 > > @Jesse > >The attic sounds like its where you put code you're ashamed of. > > I prefer to look at it as the place to put code that you don't want getting > in the way, or biting guests to your home. > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Jesse MacFadyen > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > +1 to negligence, or might it be ignorance? > > > > The attic sounds like its where you put code you're ashamed of. > > > > Cheers, > > Jesse > > > > Sent from my iPhone5.5 > > > > On 2013-03-21, at 3:41 PM, Brian LeRoux <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Attic seems like more work than outright neglect. Might be for > > conceptual purity we want to move Bada there but I could see Qt and > > webOS rising from their slumber. > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Anis KADRI <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > and no apache attic [1] ? > > > > > > [1] http://attic.apache.org/ > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Brian LeRoux <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> This means we're going to leave Bada, Qt, webOS at their latest tags, > > >> and not dist. (Code still accessible, etc.) > > >> > > >> We'll continue as normal for BB, for now. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Gord Tanner <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>> I am confused, who are the stewards and what platforms are being > > >> stewarded? > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>> > > >>> On 2013-03-21, at 6:00 PM, Filip Maj <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> +1 > > >>>> > > >>>> On 3/21/13 2:12 PM, "Shazron" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> +1 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny <[email protected] > > > > >> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> +1 > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold > > until > > >>>>>>> they find a steward. This means: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> - we won't be taggin them further > > >>>>>>> - we won't be including them in a release > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> This does not mean: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> - deletion or archiving or attic for the src > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> (Think of it as a pause button!) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Agree/disagree? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve < > > [email protected] > > >>> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is > no > > >>>>>>> benefit > > >>>>>>>> in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> There's going to be more refactoring required when moving > plugins > > to > > >>>>>>> their > > >>>>>>>> own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will > > make > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>> transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the > > >>>>>> refactoring > > >>>>>>>> hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that > blackberry's > > >>>>>> JS > > >>>>>>> repo > > >>>>>>>> is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have > > support > > >>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>> this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, > at > > >>>>>> least > > >>>>>>> as > > >>>>>>>> far as the JS is concerned. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a > > >>>>>> someone > > >>>>>>>> willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around > if > > >>>>>> Markus > > >>>>>>>> wants to do the work to support it through this transition. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis > > >>>>>> <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as > we > > >>>>>> are > > >>>>>>> able. > > >>>>>>>>> I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be > > >>>>>> with us > > >>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>> a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are > > seeing > > >>>>>> a > > >>>>>>>>> significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the > > primary > > >>>>>>> platform > > >>>>>>>>> of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market > to > > >>>>>> get > > >>>>>>>>> adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use > PhoneGap > > >>>>>> Build > > >>>>>>> IMO, > > >>>>>>>>> and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit > of > > a > > >>>>>> black > > >>>>>>>>> box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the > > >>>>>> notion > > >>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>> enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be > > >>>>>> maintained in > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>> short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 > > built > > >>>>>> on > > >>>>>>>>> Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will > then > > be > > >>>>>>> able to > > >>>>>>>>> look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable > > >>>>>> platform > > >>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>> support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Hope that makes sense. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. > > >>>>>>>>> From: Anis KADRI > > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM > > >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] > > >>>>>>>>> Reply To: [email protected] > > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: archiving older platforms > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> s/QR/Qt > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer > > >>>>>> <[email protected] > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 Bada/webOS/QR > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the > > >>>>>> older BB > > >>>>>>>>>> platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they > are > > >>>>>>> currently > > >>>>>>>>>> being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the > issues > > >>>>>>>>> regularly, > > >>>>>>>>>> and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to > me. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj <[email protected]> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as > > >>>>>> well. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is > > >>>>>> stopping > > >>>>>>> anyone > > >>>>>>>>>>> from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related > > >>>>>> fixes > > >>>>>>> have > > >>>>>>>>>> not > > >>>>>>>>>>> been going in regularly. The implementations are stable > enough > > >>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>>> drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support > > >>>>>> for > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>> older > > >>>>>>>>>>> BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, "Michael Brooks" > > >>>>>> <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out > > >>>>>> there > > >>>>>>>>> are > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> BB 6 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. > > >>>>>>>>> Developers > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>>> focus > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> should > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> be on BB10. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> It would probably be more accurate to say "BlackBerry Java" > > >>>>>> which > > >>>>>>>>>> includes > > >>>>>>>>>>>> BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we "support" all the way back 4.6 > > >>>>>> although no > > >>>>>>> one > > >>>>>>>>>>>> tests > > >>>>>>>>>>>> that far back anymore. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like > > >>>>>> to > > >>>>>> see > > >>>>>>>>>> Apache > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, > PhoneGap/Build > > >>>>>> has > > >>>>>>>>> seen > > >>>>>>>>>> a > > >>>>>>>>>>>> large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 Bada > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the > > >>>>>> future > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when > > >>>>>> gearing > > >>>>>>> up > > >>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu Phone > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to > > >>>>>> better > > >>>>>>>>>>>> understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from > > >>>>>> BlackBerry > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>> chime > > >>>>>>>>>>>> in with their opinion. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI < > > >>>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic > :-D > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>> attic. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI < > > >>>>>>> [email protected]> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> According to [1]: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a > > >>>>>> release, > > >>>>>>>>> who > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> have > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their > > >>>>>> reporting > > >>>>>>>>> duties > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> board are all good candidates for the Attic." > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe those projects satisfy the "no active > > >>>>>> committers" > > >>>>>>>>>> argument. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no > > >>>>>> longer > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> employed by > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if > > >>>>>> he's > > >>>>>>>>> still > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out > > >>>>>>> there I > > >>>>>>>>> am > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sure > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but no new devices are getting shipped. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an > > >>>>>> SDK a > > >>>>>>>>> couple > > >>>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012 > > >>>>>> ahead > > >>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone [4] > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices > > >>>>>> out > > >>>>>>> there > > >>>>>>>>>> are > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> BB > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 6 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. > > >>>>>>>>>> Developers > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>> focus > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> should > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be on BB10. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://attic.apache.org/ > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] > > >> > > > http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> tizen/2013-02-25 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux > > >>>>>> <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question has come up about our continued support for: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - bada > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - webos > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - qt > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - bb6 & bb7 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt. > > >>>>>>> However, I > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu > > >>>>>> Phone. > > >>>>>>> There > > >>>>>>>>>> are > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could > > >>>>>>> happen, > > >>>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. 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