Attic seems like more work than outright neglect. Might be for conceptual purity we want to move Bada there but I could see Qt and webOS rising from their slumber.
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Anis KADRI <[email protected]> wrote: > and no apache attic [1] ? > > [1] http://attic.apache.org/ > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Brian LeRoux <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This means we're going to leave Bada, Qt, webOS at their latest tags, >> and not dist. (Code still accessible, etc.) >> >> We'll continue as normal for BB, for now. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Gord Tanner <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I am confused, who are the stewards and what platforms are being >> stewarded? >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On 2013-03-21, at 6:00 PM, Filip Maj <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> +1 >> >> >> >> On 3/21/13 2:12 PM, "Shazron" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> +1 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> +1 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until >> >>>>> they find a steward. This means: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> - we won't be taggin them further >> >>>>> - we won't be including them in a release >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This does not mean: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> - deletion or archiving or attic for the src >> >>>>> >> >>>>> (Think of it as a pause button!) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Agree/disagree? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve <[email protected] >> > >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no >> >>>>> benefit >> >>>>>> in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to >> >>>>> their >> >>>>>> own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make >> >>>> the >> >>>>>> transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the >> >>>> refactoring >> >>>>>> hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's >> >>>> JS >> >>>>> repo >> >>>>>> is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support >> >>>> for >> >>>>>> this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at >> >>>> least >> >>>>> as >> >>>>>> far as the JS is concerned. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a >> >>>> someone >> >>>>>> willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if >> >>>> Markus >> >>>>>> wants to do the work to support it through this transition. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis >> >>>> <[email protected]> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we >> >>>> are >> >>>>> able. >> >>>>>>> I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be >> >>>> with us >> >>>>> for >> >>>>>>> a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing >> >>>> a >> >>>>>>> significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary >> >>>>> platform >> >>>>>>> of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to >> >>>> get >> >>>>>>> adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap >> >>>> Build >> >>>>> IMO, >> >>>>>>> and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a >> >>>> black >> >>>>>>> box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the >> >>>> notion >> >>>>> that >> >>>>>>> enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be >> >>>> maintained in >> >>>>> the >> >>>>>>> short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built >> >>>> on >> >>>>>>> Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be >> >>>>> able to >> >>>>>>> look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable >> >>>> platform >> >>>> to >> >>>>>>> support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Hope that makes sense. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. >> >>>>>>> From: Anis KADRI >> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM >> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >> >>>>>>> Reply To: [email protected] >> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: archiving older platforms >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> s/QR/Qt >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer >> >>>> <[email protected] >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> +1 Bada/webOS/QR >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the >> >>>> older BB >> >>>>>>>> platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are >> >>>>> currently >> >>>>>>>> being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues >> >>>>>>> regularly, >> >>>>>>>> and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj <[email protected]> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as >> >>>> well. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is >> >>>> stopping >> >>>>> anyone >> >>>>>>>>> from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related >> >>>> fixes >> >>>>> have >> >>>>>>>> not >> >>>>>>>>> been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough >> >>>> that >> >>>>>>>>> drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support >> >>>> for >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>>> older >> >>>>>>>>> BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, "Michael Brooks" >> >>>> <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out >> >>>> there >> >>>>>>> are >> >>>>>>>>>>> BB 6 >> >>>>>>>>>>> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. >> >>>>>>> Developers >> >>>>>>>>>>> don't >> >>>>>>>>>>> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think >> >>>> the >> >>>>> focus >> >>>>>>>>>>> should >> >>>>>>>>>>> be on BB10. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> It would probably be more accurate to say "BlackBerry Java" >> >>>> which >> >>>>>>>> includes >> >>>>>>>>>> BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we "support" all the way back 4.6 >> >>>> although no >> >>>>> one >> >>>>>>>>>> tests >> >>>>>>>>>> that far back anymore. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like >> >>>> to >> >>>> see >> >>>>>>>> Apache >> >>>>>>>>>> Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build >> >>>> has >> >>>>>>> seen >> >>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>> large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> +1 Bada >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> +1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the >> >>>> future >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> +1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when >> >>>> gearing >> >>>>> up >> >>>>>>>> for >> >>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu Phone >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> +0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to >> >>>> better >> >>>>>>>>>> understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from >> >>>> BlackBerry >> >>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>> chime >> >>>>>>>>>> in with their opinion. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI < >> >>>> [email protected] >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic :-D >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>> attic. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI < >> >>>>> [email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> According to [1]: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a >> >>>> release, >> >>>>>>> who >> >>>>>>>>>>> have >> >>>>>>>>>>>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their >> >>>> reporting >> >>>>>>> duties >> >>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> board are all good candidates for the Attic." >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I believe those projects satisfy the "no active >> >>>> committers" >> >>>>>>>> argument. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no >> >>>> longer >> >>>>>>>>>>> employed by >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if >> >>>> he's >> >>>>>>> still >> >>>>>>>>>>>> interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out >> >>>>> there I >> >>>>>>> am >> >>>>>>>>>>> sure >> >>>>>>>>>>>> but no new devices are getting shipped. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an >> >>>> SDK a >> >>>>>>> couple >> >>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>> weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012 >> >>>> ahead >> >>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>> Windows >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Phone [4] >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices >> >>>> out >> >>>>> there >> >>>>>>>> are >> >>>>>>>>>>> BB >> >>>>>>>>>>> 6 >> >>>>>>>>>>>> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. >> >>>>>>>> Developers >> >>>>>>>>>>> don't >> >>>>>>>>>>>> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>> focus >> >>>>>>>>>>> should >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be on BB10. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://attic.apache.org/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>> [2] >> >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it- >> >>>>>>>>>>> tizen/2013-02-25 >> >>>>>>>>>>>> [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html >> >>>>>>>>>>>> [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315 >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux >> >>>> <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The question has come up about our continued support for: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - bada >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - webos >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - qt >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - bb6 & bb7 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt. >> >>>>> However, I >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu >> >>>> Phone. >> >>>>> There >> >>>>>>>> are >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could >> >>>>> happen, >> >>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. The >> >>>>> older BB >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? >> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>>>> This transmission (including any attachments) may contain >> >>>> confidential >> >>>>>>> information, privileged material (including material protected by >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>> solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute >> >>>>> non-public >> >>>>>>> information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the >> >>>>> intended >> >>>>>>> recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in >> >>>>> error, >> >>>>>>> please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information >> >>>> from >> >>>>>>> your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of >> >>>> this >> >>>>>>> transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be >> >>>>> unlawful. >> >> >>
