+1 On 3/21/13 2:12 PM, "Shazron" <[email protected]> wrote:
>+1 > > >On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny <[email protected]> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until >> > they find a steward. This means: >> > >> > - we won't be taggin them further >> > - we won't be including them in a release >> > >> > This does not mean: >> > >> > - deletion or archiving or attic for the src >> > >> > (Think of it as a pause button!) >> > >> > Agree/disagree? >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no >> > benefit >> > > in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. >> > > >> > > There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to >> > their >> > > own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make >> the >> > > transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the >>refactoring >> > > hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's >>JS >> > repo >> > > is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support >> for >> > > this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at >> least >> > as >> > > far as the JS is concerned. >> > > >> > > So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a >> someone >> > > willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if >> Markus >> > > wants to do the work to support it through this transition. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis >><[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > >> >> > >> We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we >>are >> > able. >> > >> I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) >> > >> >> > >> While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be >>with us >> > for >> > >> a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing >>a >> > >> significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary >> > platform >> > >> of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to >>get >> > >> adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap >>Build >> > IMO, >> > >> and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a >> black >> > >> box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the >>notion >> > that >> > >> enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. >> > >> >> > >> In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be >>maintained in >> > the >> > >> short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built >>on >> > >> Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be >> > able to >> > >> look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable >>platform >> to >> > >> support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. >> > >> >> > >> Hope that makes sense. >> > >> >> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. >> > >> From: Anis KADRI >> > >> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM >> > >> To: [email protected] >> > >> Reply To: [email protected] >> > >> Subject: Re: archiving older platforms >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> s/QR/Qt >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer >><[email protected] >> > >> >wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > +1 Bada/webOS/QR >> > >> > >> > >> > echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the >>older BB >> > >> > platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are >> > currently >> > >> > being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues >> > >> regularly, >> > >> > and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj <[email protected]> >>wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as >> well. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is >>stopping >> > anyone >> > >> > > from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related >>fixes >> > have >> > >> > not >> > >> > > been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough >> that >> > >> > > drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support >>for >> the >> > >> > older >> > >> > > BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, "Michael Brooks" >><[email protected]> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out >> there >> > >> are >> > >> > > >>BB 6 >> > >> > > >> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. >> > >> Developers >> > >> > > >>don't >> > >> > > >> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think >>the >> > focus >> > >> > > >>should >> > >> > > >> be on BB10. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >It would probably be more accurate to say "BlackBerry Java" >>which >> > >> > includes >> > >> > > >BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we "support" all the way back 4.6 >>although no >> > one >> > >> > > >tests >> > >> > > >that far back anymore. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like >>to >> see >> > >> > Apache >> > >> > > >Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build >> has >> > >> seen >> > >> > a >> > >> > > >large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >+1 Bada >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >+1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the >> future >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >+1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when >> gearing >> > up >> > >> > for >> > >> > > >Ubuntu Phone >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >+0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to >>better >> > >> > > >understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from >> BlackBerry >> > to >> > >> > > >chime >> > >> > > >in with their opinion. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI < >> [email protected] >> > > >> > >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic :-D >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from >>the >> > >> attic. >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI < >> > [email protected]> >> > >> > > >>wrote: >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > According to [1]: >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a >> release, >> > >> who >> > >> > > >>have >> > >> > > >> > no active committers or are unable to fulfill their >>reporting >> > >> duties >> > >> > > >>to >> > >> > > >> the >> > >> > > >> > board are all good candidates for the Attic." >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I believe those projects satisfy the "no active >>committers" >> > >> > argument. >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS. >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no >>longer >> > >> > > >>employed by >> > >> > > >> > the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if >>he's >> > >> still >> > >> > > >> > interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out >> > there I >> > >> am >> > >> > > >>sure >> > >> > > >> > but no new devices are getting shipped. >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an >>SDK a >> > >> couple >> > >> > of >> > >> > > >> > weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012 >>ahead >> of >> > >> > > >>Windows >> > >> > > >> > Phone [4] >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices >>out >> > there >> > >> > are >> > >> > > >>BB >> > >> > > >> 6 >> > >> > > >> > and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. >> > >> > Developers >> > >> > > >> don't >> > >> > > >> > seem to be interested in those platform though and I think >> the >> > >> focus >> > >> > > >> should >> > >> > > >> > be on BB10. >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > [1] http://attic.apache.org/ >> > >> > > >> > [2] >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it- >> > >> > > >>tizen/2013-02-25 >> > >> > > >> > [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html >> > >> > > >> > [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315 >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux >><[email protected]> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> >> The question has come up about our continued support for: >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> - bada >> > >> > > >> >> - webos >> > >> > > >> >> - qt >> > >> > > >> >> - bb6 & bb7 >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt. >> > However, I >> > >> > > >> >> could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu >>Phone. >> > There >> > >> > are >> > >> > > >> >> no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could >> > happen, >> > >> it >> > >> > > >> >> seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. The >> > older BB >> > >> > > >> >> platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10. >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> Thoughts? >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> This transmission (including any attachments) may contain >>confidential >> > >> information, privileged material (including material protected by >>the >> > >> solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute >> > non-public >> > >> information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the >> > intended >> > >> recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in >> > error, >> > >> please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information >> from >> > >> your system. 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