*"When late Stephen Hawkings wrote scientific papers, the papers would get peer reviewed & then published. What incredible and amazing ideas, yet peer reviewed. What a humble human being! I now wonder if he had started self approving his own talks. How much humanity would then have discovered about black holes?"*
*“Governance of "Intellectual Property" generated by many developers, across the world, and which is adopted by the Financial services sector, who all seek that the financial technology, which they work with or adopt, is truly free from any influence of "For Profit" stakeholders.” I am sad to say that what has come to my attention, is perhaps not the industry defining standards of open source IP and project management.* *----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------* *Now that we are here, I'm encouraging non presumptive, empathetic, patient and peaceful dialogue, perhaps exercising a bit of restraint, (most likely with factual data to this thread). I respect all of your opinions. I do support Saransh, Bruce and many "others".* I have had a privilege to witness some of the remarkable unheard stories, of developers, partners, functional consultants, putting their hard work up, in hope for a better world, a world devoid of poverty. 1. Chair Appointment: A Track chair(TC) appointment was not discussed on this list. If this took place outside this list, either on a Zoom call, I am sorry to say that it does not constitute an appointment. (It would be great if communities collaborate anywhere, everywhere, be it a 12D space or deep inside the planet earth.) *[And he/she/they should bring the conversation back to this mailing list for a democratic process of decision making.(within the ASF guidelines)] *>>>>>*Another way that a track chair appointment can take place is by the PMC's action and subsequent ratification by the Board. * *I **would like to invite the Board to help us understand whether they have appointed a single person as TC, on PMC’s advice, and in absence of the community being able to exercise its decision making ability on this list* *.* 2. Review of Proposals: The Track committee (if it only contained a single person) has forgotten to post any invitation/access to the Proposal Review Console for "peer review". The community may feel excluded if a process lets a single person go through proposals and scientific ideas of others, and without following the Apache way of decision making, then I am seriously alarmed by the presence of such processes in this Non for profit ASF’s activities. 3. The PMC self nomination exercise by Saransh, Bruce and others is nothing but a healthy demonstration. What they are possibly demonstrating is the finiteness to self approvals and self nominations in this Apache community. As we can see, the first PMC is constituted by the board and nominations thereafter only by an existing member. The chair itself is an ASF officer. (Hope the chair is not made by cutting more wood though.) PMCs play a vital role in managing the project affairs & representing the project community. PMC actions are also sequentially ratified by the Board, on the premise of "Quarterly Board Report" and a private mailing list amongst other tools. *The nature of my objections bring me to see a lesser inclusive representation of the project community by its PMC. Does this mean that the Board of ASF now holds a fiduciary responsibility to respond to these objections? * I am sorry to say but we may have failed to establish some of the best enterprising, socially inclined & sustainable practices for this open source *financial technology *project. As many members, including some of the Board Members of ASF, have deliberated over this thread, I welcome this as a healthy dialogue(read not dispute) in the hope that these gaps are mitigated by this community, in the near future. As a member of this community, my objection is not to question any single human being(neither am I interested in such a waste of humanity's resources) but the mere processes behind these actions, which evolved with time and whether these processes have resulted in this under-representation. Thanks everyone for your time in reading this. ( mailing list <https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@fineract.apache.org:2021-6> for Apr, May,Jun,Jul & a stakeholder diagram). [Reminder - please stay on this thread as on the subject of organising the Apache Con 2021 & objection to Track Chair Appointment including Self Appointment of Proposals.] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *>>>>>Read full text on PMC guidelines **here <https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html>.* *"**CONDUCT PROJECT BUSINESS ON PUBLIC MAILING LISTS* On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 2:52 PM Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 08:03:09AM +0530, Saransh Sharma wrote: > >... > > Where can I suggest a new governance model, > > Nowhere. > > The model is defined by the Apache Software Foundation, and has been > in successful use for over two decades. It is designed with specific > intent, to assist communities in producing releases under a cover of a > legal umbrella. > > It isn't changing. > > > because the existing model only represent few . > > Then you misunderstand it. The PMC manages and represents the entire > community, and you can be part of that community, or not. You have the > ability to be part of that community by your mere presence on dev@. > But you have to work with others, rather than tell them how they are > "doing it wrong, and need to change". > > Now. Just start writing some code, and submitting PRs. That is the > best way forward, for your involvement in the Fineract community. > > >... > > Cheers, > Greg Stein > 20+ year Member, ASF > -- Ankit Managing Partner Muellners ApS, Denmark Impressum- Muellners® Inc; Copenhagen, Denmark CVR: 41548304; New Delhi, India CIN: U72900DL2019PTC344870; Foundation EU CVR:41008407 This mail is governed by Muellners® IT policy. 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