Well, I've been to open road shows that show you what .Net can do (I know it's aimed at selling .Net to me, but it was very interesting) The last one MM did was all about Dreamweaver. Well a great number of CF developers still don't like or use DW.
There's more user groups for Microsoft products, and really Microsoft are bigger here that MM, they are pushing their products in a big way here. MM don't seem so bother about the UK. Which is generally my point, the UK market could be quiet good, CF can sit really well on a number of platforms. It can work with Java, .Net etc. If you see a job spec its all "2 years ASP, Java, .Net SQL" etc. Now I don't think it matters how many years you have been working with a language, if you're a good developer you're a good developer no matter what the language, but if you say I've been doing CF and you are a decent developer, just because you have been concentrating on CF you may get overlooked for someone who has 2 year .Net, but is a crap developer. It's all because .Net has a bigger reputation than CF and MM need to start boosting the reputation of CF. We need them to tell us what they are doing to improve CF standing and how we as developers can help. Stephen Adams Web Developer/Information Sharing Community Partnerships -----Original Message----- From: Nick de Voil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 April 2004 11:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK What is it exactly that Microsoft do and MM don't? Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen RAdams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:42 AM Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK I agree, I am seriously thinking of looking into either using JSP or ASP.Net (with C#), why?, because the job market is better there. I know there are a lot of people who hate Microsoft, but they do support and promote their products really well within this country. MM don't which is a great shame. Stephen Adams Web Developer/Information Sharing Community Partnerships -----Original Message----- From: Peter Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 April 2004 10:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK I think that was well put, and I think that relates to my situation. I left the CF career and went into software development using C#, Delphi and VB6. Any web development I have done in this current role was in ASP and PHP respectively. - Peter -----Original Message----- From: Adam Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 April 2004 10:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK The most indicative analysis you can make is based on the number of jobs that are currently being advertised on websites like jobserve.com: 44 CF jobs 12 contract 395 ASP.Net Jobs 82 contract 523 JSP jobs 156 contract 137 PHP 31 contract 123 Flash 56 contract 1245 J2ee 356 contract 16 ActionScript 8 Contract You can then analyse the type of jobs coming up on freelancers.net and getafreelancer.com (more of a outsource to India) and you will see a major disposition towards ASP and PHP (primarily PHP). You then have to ask yourself where you want to work. I am personally trying the teleworking route. I currently have my head buried in mach-ii (personal choice), asp.net using VB, Flash for Server Geeks and am seriously thinking of PHP as well. What I need now is a time machine :) So back to your original question, CF is not so much dead as on it's last legs as a 'career' move. As a development platform it is brilliant. What will happen is that employers will decide on CF then try and find people, fail within the job market and switch technologies BUUUUT it also depends on what you want as a career. Adam > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen RAdams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 14 April 2004 10:05 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > > What do people think of the state of ColdFusion in the UK? I personally > think that it's a bit poorly supported and promoted by Macromedia. I > mean we have a very few user groups (which I am not knocking), but I > think Macromedia could do more to promote ColdFusion as a product to > both developers (by supporting further the User Groups) and to > organisations so that the market for CF is bigger in the UK. > > Who's using CF in the UK, where is it going, do Macromedia have a plan > how to support and promote in the UK. It would be nice to know what they > are doing so we as developers could see how we could help. > > What do other UK based developers think? 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