How does the learning curve of CF compare to C# and .NET - is this strongly typed language [c#] not more difficult to learn for inexperienced developers - especially without OOP knowledge?
-----Original Message----- From: Paolo Piponi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 April 2004 11:15 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK CF only has an edge over its competitors because it is easy to develop and maintain. It's no good thinking that CF is easier to learn for a (hypothetical) code-challenged individual because as with any developer skill you must be a good developer first. It's easier to write good websites with CF but it is also easier to write crap unmanageable websites. I think CF is a better product, but I am biased because I am currently mainly a CF developer. However, I do see it going the way of Betamax and the Mac. Some say superior, others say obselete. I dare a Macromedia representative to predict otherwise. Paolo PS Ever noticed the similarity - MACintosh, BetaMACs(X), MACromedia. Perhaps CF should have stayed with Allaire. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Westlake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 14 April 2004 10:59 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > > I am farely new to CF. I have been working with ASP, PHP and Java > before hand and like a lot of what I find in CF. > > I would like to implement CF within a company I work for but there is > resistance. It is not resisitance against the technology, which I have > been able to demonstrate will save development time/money + tie up > with existing frameworks, but is through the worry that there are not > enough developers to supply the ongoing requirements of the business. > > So my question is: Will there be more developers coming into the > community? > How? When???! > > Or should I start thinking about the .NET framework instead - which > may well require more training than ColdFusion does anyway? > > Sam Westlake > > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen RAdams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 14 April 2004 10:33 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > I remember, when I started, we had people from Allaire visiting us, > talking about CF, where it was going, what's new, now I don't see that > as much. And your right those comparisons with other products have > disappeared too. If we, as CF developers, are supposed to work more > closely with Java, as CFMX is built on J2EE (which I'm all for). Why > aren't Macromedia trying to use the status of Java in this country to > sell CF with. Java and CF work so well together, we should be trying > to get the Java community in the UK to see what CF can do and how it > is an important tool. > > Stephen Adams > Web Developer/Information Sharing > Community Partnerships > 0208 356 3042 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 14 April 2004 10:34 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > > agreed. I think Allaire used to do a pretty good job of promoting CF, > as it was pretty much their main product. Now it's just one of the > many products that Macromedia offers, and is by no way the most > important. > You used to see good comparisons between CF, ASP, PHP etc, which I > always thought did a good job of selling it to developers, but those > seem to have disappeared. > also they completely ballsed up the whole Tag Gallery, sorry, > "Coldfusion Exchange" > > > > > > "stephen RAdams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 14/04/2004 10:04 > Please respond to dev > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > Subject: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > > What do people think of the state of ColdFusion in the UK? I > personally think that it's a bit poorly supported and promoted by > Macromedia. I mean we have a very few user groups (which I am not > knocking), but I think Macromedia could do more to promote ColdFusion > as a product to both developers (by supporting further the User > Groups) and to organisations so that the market for CF is bigger in > the UK. > > Who's using CF in the UK, where is it going, do Macromedia have a plan > how to support and promote in the UK. It would be nice to know what > they are doing so we as developers could see how we could help. > > What do other UK based developers think? How could we help better > promote CF in the UK? > > Stephen Adams > Web Developer/Information Sharing > Community Partnerships > > > -- > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided > by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by > proworkflow.com* > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by > gradwell.com* > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided > by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: > *ActivePDF provided > by activepdf.com* > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by > proworkflow.com* > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by > gradwell.com* > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by proworkflow.com* *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by gradwell.com* To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by proworkflow.com* *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by gradwell.com* To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by proworkflow.com* *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by gradwell.com* To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
