Benson, you are wrong. The answer to this question is really not clear and depends on a much more then just the pure amount of code. There are lots of discussions around that lately on legal and we have lots of detailed if/whens. If we have the history, then we can do the check. Gladly github provides those. Also there is still the option to fork it over to apache-extras and fix it there.
LieGrue, strub --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote: > From: Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Apache Maven distribution with fixes > To: "Maven Developers List" <dev@maven.apache.org> > Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 1:06 PM > Mark, > > No we cannot fork back. It is too large of a body of code > to absorb > without a grant, AL or no AL. > > I'm always happy to be proved stupid by consultation with > legal. Until > then, however, the policy seems perfectly clear to me. Only > small > amounts of code can be absorbed without a grant. > > --benson > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> > wrote: > > Humm, guess there are only 3 options left in this > case > > > > > > 1.) We wait 7 weeks or whatever time it takes (most > probably it _will_ take more) > > > > 2.) You ship an ALv2 licensed version of Aether and > Sisu which we can incorporate into an upcoming maven-3.0.4. > > > > 3.) We fork the last ALv2 licensed Aether version back > to the Maven project and fix the bugs ourself. > > > > LieGrue, > > strub > > > > --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Jason van Zyl <ja...@sonatype.com> > wrote: > > > >> From: Jason van Zyl <ja...@sonatype.com> > >> Subject: Re: Apache Maven distribution with fixes > >> To: "Maven Developers List" <dev@maven.apache.org> > >> Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 12:32 PM > >> On Jul 28, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Mark > >> Struberg wrote: > >> > >> > mom jason. > >> > > >> > Before we ship 3.0.4 I'd like to fix the SCM > URL > >> postfix problem which exists in lots of DSCMs. > Will do this > >> in the next week. > >> > > >> > >> You probably have 6-7 weeks before an official > 3.0.4 > >> release would be made so you have plenty of time. > >> > >> If you are going to wait for Aether and Sisu to > be > >> provisioned at Eclipse then the total time for > both of those > >> to pass into that state is about 7 weeks. The > build I > >> proposed could not be an official release until > such a time > >> because there are fixes which rely on Sisu and > Aether which > >> are important for users. > >> > >> > LieGrue, > >> > strub > >> > > >> > > >> > --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Jason van Zyl <ja...@sonatype.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> From: Jason van Zyl <ja...@sonatype.com> > >> >> Subject: Re: Apache Maven distribution > with fixes > >> >> To: "Maven Developers List" <dev@maven.apache.org> > >> >> Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 11:41 AM > >> >> I'll assume that this is fine and no > >> >> one objects. I'll announce this on the > user list > >> later > >> >> today. > >> >> > >> >> On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Jason van > Zyl > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Maven PMC, > >> >>> > >> >>> Benjamin and I would like to make a > >> distribution > >> >> available that addresses several issues > with the > >> Apache > >> >> Maven 3.0.3 release. We have pushed back > all > >> bugfixes that > >> >> do not involve Eclipse Aether[a] and > Eclipse > >> Sisu[b] as > >> >> their incorporation into the mainline and > an > >> official > >> >> release is your decision. > >> >>> > >> >>> We haven't pushed any individual > artifacts to > >> Maven > >> >> Central as part of creating the > distribution, we > >> have only > >> >> created the distribution itself. If there > is > >> anything you > >> >> want changed let us know and we'll change > it, but > >> we wanted > >> >> to make these fixes available in a build > for users > >> who are > >> >> having problems. We're not trying to > represent it > >> as > >> >> anything other then a distribution that > >> incorporates fixes > >> >> users need. > >> >>> > >> >>> The build is available here: > >> >>> > >> >>> http://people.apache.org/~jvanzyl > >> >>> > >> >>> ------------------------------------ > >> >>> Summary of the issues > >> >>> ------------------------------------ > >> >>> > >> >>> Fixes pushed back to the ASF: > >> >>> > >> >>> [MNG-5064][1] mvn -nsu > (--no-snapshot-updates) > >> should > >> >> not download snapshots (and break local > builds) > >> >>> [MNG-5131][2] Wrong encoding for > encrypted > >> passwords > >> >>> [MNG-5113][3] NullPointerException on > javadoc > >> site > >> >> generation > >> >>> [MNG-5137][4] Reactor resolution does > not work > >> for > >> >> forked multi module builds > >> >>> [MNG-5096][5] <exclusion> on > >> <dependency> > >> >> with <type>test-jar</type> > doesn't > >> work in maven > >> >> 3 > >> >>> [MNG-5135][6] Regression: in some > cases > >> aggregator > >> >> mojo is unable to resolve dependencies > with > >> custom > >> >> packaging > >> >>> > >> >>> Fixes not pushed back to the ASF as > these are > >> >> dependent on fixes in Eclipse Aether and > Eclipse > >> Sisu: > >> >>> > >> >>> [MNG-5042][7] Regression: > CloningClassLoader > >> causes > >> >> StackOverflowError in groovy > >> >>> [MNG-5056][8] Test dependencies get > packaged > >> into WAR > >> >> file. > >> >>> [MNG-5084][9] Resolver for plugins > failing > >> >>> [MNG-5087][10] Maven 3 dependency > resolution > >> fails > >> >> until maven-metadata-local.xml files > (created by > >> >> maven-invoker-plugin) are deleted > >> >>> [MNG-5125] [11]Regression: mvn 3.0.3 > is > >> extreemly slow > >> >> with a large number of dependencies > >> >>> [MNG-5138][12] Dependency conflicts > are > >> extremely > >> >> opaque > >> >>> > >> >>> [1]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5064 > >> >>> [2]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5131 > >> >>> [3]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5113 > >> >>> [4]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5137 > >> >>> [5]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5096 > >> >>> [6]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5135 > >> >>> > >> >>> [7]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5042 > >> >>> [8]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5056 > >> >>> [9]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5084 > >> >>> [10]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5087 > >> >>> [11]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5125 > >> >>> [12]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5138 > >> >>> > >> >>> [a]: http://eclipse.org/proposals/technology.aether/ > >> >>> [b]: http://eclipse.org/proposals/technology.sisu/ > >> >>> > >> >>> Thanks, > >> >>> > >> >>> Jason > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------- > >> >>> Jason van Zyl > >> >>> Eclipse Board Member > >> >>> Founder, Apache Maven > >> >>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > >> >>> > >> >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------- > >> >>> > >> >>> If I find ten thousand ways something > won't > >> work, I > >> >> haven't failed. I am not discouraged, > >> >>> because every wrong attempt discarded > is just > >> one more > >> >> step forward. > >> >>> > >> >>> -- Thomas Edison > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> > >> >> Jason > >> >> > >> >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> Jason van Zyl > >> >> Founder, Apache Maven > >> >> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > >> >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> > >> >> Our achievements speak for themselves. > What we > >> have to keep > >> >> track > >> >> of are our failures, discouragements and > doubts. > >> We tend to > >> >> forget > >> >> the past difficulties, the many false > starts, and > >> the > >> >> painful > >> >> groping. 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