From: Jason van Zyl<ja...@sonatype.com>
Subject: Re: Apache Maven distribution with fixes
To: "Maven Developers List"<dev@maven.apache.org>
Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 1:23 PM
On Jul 28, 2011, at 8:52 AM, Mark Struberg wrote:
Humm, guess there are only 3 options left in this
case
1.) We wait 7 weeks or whatever time it takes (most
probably it _will_ take more)
Not likely, it will probably be shorter as I was being
conservative. The scheduling at Eclipse is like a clockwork.
Once the review period of over the creation review is
immediately scheduled. The creation review and initial legal
review will have no issues because nearly 100% of the code
was written by Sonatype employees and we're all cleared at
Eclipse. The code will start the parallel IP immediately and
probably clear IP review very fast given it's all Sonatype
code and there is already precedent for a lot of our code
going into Eclipse.
2.) You ship an ALv2 licensed version of Aether and
Sisu which we can incorporate into an upcoming maven-3.0.4.
The proposals are posted, I'm not changing the licenses
now.
3.) We fork the last ALv2 licensed Aether version back
to the Maven project and fix the bugs ourself.
I believe this will never happen and you will put the
project in a very bad place if you attempt to do that. Since
our last release not a single Maven committer outside of
Sonatype has made any bug fixes or patches to the core (Paul
made one small feature addition). You guys are talking about
a new wagon, POM5 formats, new logging, artifact lookup
indirection, but the day to day of actually patching and bug
fixing is entirely absent and things like the plugin ITs are
failing day after day in CI. Looking at the situation
empirically, the probability that you will have the time and
energy to try and patch Aether and Sisu given no one has
patched any of the normal core code here I find a highly
impractical and dangerous proposal.
Path 1) doesn't preclude your participation and we've done
nothing to hinder Kristian or Herve from participating.
LieGrue,
strub
--- On Thu, 7/28/11, Jason van Zyl<ja...@sonatype.com>
wrote:
From: Jason van Zyl<ja...@sonatype.com>
Subject: Re: Apache Maven distribution with fixes
To: "Maven Developers List"<dev@maven.apache.org>
Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 12:32 PM
On Jul 28, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Mark
Struberg wrote:
mom jason.
Before we ship 3.0.4 I'd like to fix the SCM
URL
postfix problem which exists in lots of DSCMs.
Will do this
in the next week.
You probably have 6-7 weeks before an official
3.0.4
release would be made so you have plenty of time.
If you are going to wait for Aether and Sisu to
be
provisioned at Eclipse then the total time for
both of those
to pass into that state is about 7 weeks. The
build I
proposed could not be an official release until
such a time
because there are fixes which rely on Sisu and
Aether which
are important for users.
LieGrue,
strub
--- On Thu, 7/28/11, Jason van Zyl<ja...@sonatype.com>
wrote:
From: Jason van Zyl<ja...@sonatype.com>
Subject: Re: Apache Maven distribution
with fixes
To: "Maven Developers List"<dev@maven.apache.org>
Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 11:41 AM
I'll assume that this is fine and no
one objects. I'll announce this on the
user list
later
today.
On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Jason van
Zyl
wrote:
Maven PMC,
Benjamin and I would like to make a
distribution
available that addresses several issues
with the
Apache
Maven 3.0.3 release. We have pushed back
all
bugfixes that
do not involve Eclipse Aether[a] and
Eclipse
Sisu[b] as
their incorporation into the mainline and
an
official
release is your decision.
We haven't pushed any individual
artifacts to
Maven
Central as part of creating the
distribution, we
have only
created the distribution itself. If there
is
anything you
want changed let us know and we'll change
it, but
we wanted
to make these fixes available in a build
for users
who are
having problems. We're not trying to
represent it
as
anything other then a distribution that
incorporates fixes
users need.
The build is available here:
http://people.apache.org/~jvanzyl
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Summary of the issues
------------------------------------
Fixes pushed back to the ASF:
[MNG-5064][1] mvn -nsu
(--no-snapshot-updates)
should
not download snapshots (and break local
builds)
[MNG-5131][2] Wrong encoding for
encrypted
passwords
[MNG-5113][3] NullPointerException on
javadoc
site
generation
[MNG-5137][4] Reactor resolution does
not work
for
forked multi module builds
[MNG-5096][5]<exclusion> on
<dependency>
with<type>test-jar</type>
doesn't
work in maven
3
[MNG-5135][6] Regression: in some
cases
aggregator
mojo is unable to resolve dependencies
with
custom
packaging
Fixes not pushed back to the ASF as
these are
dependent on fixes in Eclipse Aether and
Eclipse
Sisu:
[MNG-5042][7] Regression:
CloningClassLoader
causes
StackOverflowError in groovy
[MNG-5056][8] Test dependencies get
packaged
into WAR
file.
[MNG-5084][9] Resolver for plugins
failing
[MNG-5087][10] Maven 3 dependency
resolution
fails
until maven-metadata-local.xml files
(created by
maven-invoker-plugin) are deleted
[MNG-5125] [11]Regression: mvn 3.0.3
is
extreemly slow
with a large number of dependencies
[MNG-5138][12] Dependency conflicts
are
extremely
opaque
[1]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5064
[2]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5131
[3]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5113
[4]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5137
[5]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5096
[6]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5135
[7]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5042
[8]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5056
[9]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5084
[10]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5087
[11]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5125
[12]: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5138
[a]: http://eclipse.org/proposals/technology.aether/
[b]: http://eclipse.org/proposals/technology.sisu/
Thanks,
Jason
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Jason van Zyl
Eclipse Board Member
Founder, Apache Maven
http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
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If I find ten thousand ways something
won't
work, I
haven't failed. I am not discouraged,
because every wrong attempt discarded
is just
one more
step forward.
-- Thomas Edison
Thanks,
Jason
----------------------------------------------------------
Jason van Zyl
Founder, Apache Maven
http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
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groping. We see our past achievements as
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result of
a
clean forward thrust, and our present
difficulties
as
signs of decline and decay.
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