Andre Schnabel wrote:
Hi Charles, Sophie, *
....
Last point, Ian: when all is said and done, there will be people who
contribute to OpenOffice.org and give the best to it, and people who are
making noise and spread FUD.
The problem is to decide, who belongs to what group. this decision ist
not very easy, as most of us know only from email, what others are
doing. And even if we know more than just Mails, whe don't know the
other's live.
You belong to a group when you follow the rules previously established
by this group. If you don't agree with this rules you try to make them
changed, or you go away, but don't claim that you're in the group and
follow your own rules elsewhere.
Rules here are PDL for documentation, JCA/LGPL for the code, CC (with no
restriction) for non editable documents like graphics on /marketing/art/
projects for example.
See our licencing scheme and one of the last meeting of the coucil for
the CC licence acceptance.
Just for a reminder, the PDL has been written by community members
(mostly Gianluca Turconi and Martijn Dekkers) and validate by Sun as our
documentation licence.
So ... please calm down a little.
I'm calm :) I'm only taking care of what is done and said for the sake
of the OOo community. And when I see that, whatever I've said in private
mail, is not followed, I react, may be sometime 'over' because I'm tired .
I know, it is not easy to make you (Charles and Sophie) that angry, so
there must be reasons ... but there are also reasons, why people feel
more comfortable with working at the OOoAuthors-site the working within
the documentation project.
So let speak about them, we are now able to have tools and space
dedicated to our community. I still think that working with IZ or
Doc&Files when you handle them correctly are great tools, but it's only
my opinion (well not only mine as our translating group were happy with
them during the basic OLH translation marathon)
I can tell something, why I have left the documentation project .. and
would rather work on OOoAuthors, if I'd start with OOo documentation
again. But this would be no good idea, if OOoAuthors is really a
community fork.
To me, this is the main problem .. that some people consider OOoAuthors
a fork. But I don't know the reasons for that opinion (well .. I know
know at least one reason for me, to see it as such).
The reason is simple for me. If I write documentation that can't be put
on the community site, I'm working for OOo the product, but not for OOo
the community. It's a choice and that doesn't minus the work done.
The fork is when you settled first your project using the PDL (see april
2004 mails in doc projects) then change it to CC and when you try to
keep the 'in place' community or the new members wishing to participate
out and drive them systematically to your project (whatever the topic of
the participation and this almost every day).
So .. maybe we should focus on resolving thoses issuen?
oh yes :)
And .. no .. don't tell this all could have been done within the
(global) documentation project.
see one of those issues to get my opinion ;)
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=9919
I have several examples where people
asked at [EMAIL PROTECTED] how to help and never got an answer. (So ..
if we are speaking of a fork, search for the reasons within the project,
why this fork was so easy to establish).
I won't tell you that because I'm aware also for a long time of the
issues meeting by the documentation project. Scott and Ger should be in
that discussion BTW.
Imho, the Documentation project should have been a cross road for all
documentations in the OOo project.
Are you aware of that for example :
http://sw.openoffice.org/drafts/linguistic_howto.html
http://graphics.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentView?documentID=1879&noNav=true
Each project has his own documentation not easy to find when you're new
to the site, user or developper.
Imho the issue is not tools but will. I admit that if I've worked a lot
for the english documentation at the begining, the lack of manpower in
english language make me left the translations and focus on the fr
documentation (well it's also that I prefer original writing than
translations for our documentation).
The same will happen with scripting if we don't take care to keep it
inside the project. Why is it important to have it in OOo community ?
because it brings value to the community, it brings people to
participate and it's much more easier for the NLC to have all in one
place, and at the end, it brings credibility to our project.
André
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