Thanks Ate. It is great to hear that using org.netbeans.* groupId is legally OK and that it is not against any Apache policy.
[APIs are like stars](http://wiki.apidesign.org/wiki/Star) - they are with us "forever" (or at least until their users/observers are alive). It is the goal of the maintainers to make sure the APIs evolve well. Code changes driven by marketing/branding purposes are the most harmful and useless changes to any API. Nobody wants to repeat the com.sun.swing -> javax.swing rename disaster. It is important, especially right now, to make the migration of NetBeans Platform 8.2 to Apache NetBeans Platform as smooth as possible. We don't want people to ask questions like: "Should I upgrade or should I rather stay with pre-Apache version?" Keeping the artifact co-ordinates is essential part of making the migration of Maven based projects on top of NetBeans Platform "no brainer". Many Apache projects are [kept in historical co-ordinates]( https://repository.apache.org/content/groups/public/) - freemarker, log4j, etc. It is not fair to not allow NetBeans to do the same. Especially when backward compatibility has always been a major focus of everything we did in the NetBeans Platform. Dear mentors, please guide me on my quest to keep the Maven co-ordinates unchanged. Thanks you. Jaroslav Tulach NetBeans Founder NetBeans Platform Architect po 25. 3. 2019 v 0:57 odesÃlatel Ate Douma <a...@douma.nu> napsal: > > > On 19/03/2019 18.34, Eric Barboni wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Prior to any process for voting/releasing the Apache Netbeans maven > > artefacts would be sure on one point. We may use groupId > > org.apache.netbeans or org.netbeans as we have the grant to do so. > > > > It would be easier and more backward compatible to use org.netbeans as > > groupId for Apache NetBeans artefacts. Can we use that groupId forever > even > > if we became a TLP. Or was it only for transitioning purpose. > > I think you must ask this on tradema...@apache.org. > > The Apache Branding Policy says [1] that podlings may request to keep > non apache domain names (e.g. netbeans.org) for *limited uses* once the > podling graduates to TLP. > > That primarily concerns website and domain usages, but the Policy isn't > really clear/explicit in how far the "limited uses" is, or may be > extended to 'forever' usage when such a domain has been transferred to > the ASF. My gut feeling is: only in exceptional cases, as explained at > [1] for openoffice.org and groovy-lang.org. > > In how far this extends (or not) to the usage of non apache Maven > GroupId, temporarily or 'forever', is really not addressed nor answered > there, nor anywhere else I searched for it. > Legally, I think it should be fine, because netbeans.org has been > transferred to the ASF. But it might still not be desired or allowed > from ASF (branding) Policy POV. > So again, I advise to explicitly ask this to be answered and agreed upon > first by the Apache Trademark (and Branding) Committee. > > Possibly other mentors may have more experience/knowledge in this area > how other podlings dealt with this, and can chime in as well? > > Note: I understand the wish to retain the usage of org.netbeans as Maven > GroupId for backwards compatibility. But even if this will be allowed, > is it really needed to stick to using it 'forever'? > If not yet now, IMO it is advisable to at least discuss and plan to > migrate and transition to using org.apache.netbeans for future > Maven artifacts / NetBeans releases. > If not, do you want to use org.netbeans also for new Maven artifacts? > Otherwise you'll end up with an even more 'messy' Maven/Nexus artifact > management, using 2 different (base) GroupIds... > > > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#nonapache > > > > > > > > > > > > > One second question is concerning process to vote/release the > artefacts. > > The artefacts are built using the same tag as the official release of > Apache > > NetBeans (incubating) for example for version 10 its tag is 10.0-vc5. > > > > The only element to vote on would be a staged repository with a bunch > of > > artefacts at > > ( > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachenetbeans-1011/ > ) > > as the source are already released (signed by two different people). > > > > Will that work the Apache way ? How to make it comply. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > PS: > > > > (The donated mavenutilities plugins will be at org.apache.netbeans > because > > they are new artefacts as the previous release netbeans-parent) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
