inline... Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 cont...@ryanlfoster.com
On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Ryan Foster wrote: >> Jacques, >> >> I understand your concerns about support, and your thoughts on the themes >> has some valid points. However, in regards to the >> BizznessTime theme, I never really intended for that to be "my" theme >> anyway. I always viewed it as a community theme as that >> was it's original intent and it was truly a collaborative effort to build it >> between myself, my colleagues at HotWax, BrainFood, >> and other members of the the OFBiz community. > > Right, sorry for that Ryan. It's only because I know you were one of the > "fathers" (the most important I guess) and helped much at > the beginning, my apologies. > >> At any rate, my time issues and focus have shifted significantly over the >> last few months as I have left HotWax and gone into >> independent consulting and freelance development. I plan on taking a much >> more active role in the community in the months and >> years ahead. > > That's really a good, very good news! > >> As far as theme contributions go, I wonder if maybe it would be a good idea >> to have a theme repo outside of the trunk that >> individuals could commit to? The problem with theme maintenance once a new >> theme has been added to the trunk is that not >> everyone has commit privileges to the trunk. This makes the process of >> maintenance a lot more time consuming for individual >> contributors as they have to rely on patches, updates, collaboration, etc, >> rather than just monitoring and maintaining their own >> code. > > This could certainly be discussed as themes are no blocking parts as long as > *at least one works "perfectly"* (another way is to > become committer), opinions? I think the way that Magento and Wordpress do it are good examples. With Wordpress, there is one "official" theme that is included with the install, but there are literally thousands of themes that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now with the 3.0 release you can even search for new themes and install them automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it this way fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize there contributions by offering "premium" themes and plugins. In fact, there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. This furthers solidifies the base of support for the project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something more than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom development. > > Jacques > > >> Ryan L. Foster >> 801.671.0769 >> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >> >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >> >>> From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey visual theme >>> being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will >>> get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix something, I can >>> fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could fix >>> it, etc. >>> >>> -Adrian >>> >>> On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>> Ryan, >>>> >>>> Your screen copies at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 >>>> looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... >>>> >>>> My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to keep >>>> up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what happened >>>> to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398. >>>> >>>> Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why >>>> taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having more >>>> themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. Some >>>> (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or >>>> synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 >>>> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) >>>> >>>> There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be the 1st >>>> modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. Just >>>> choice the name! >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>> IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian is >>>>> right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in >>>>> years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add >>>>> another improved version, let's just improve the version we >>>>> have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in the >>>>> long run. >>>>> >>>>> As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like >>>>> navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. >>>>> Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. >>>>> Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I >>>>> think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you want >>>>> to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list >>>>> discussion. >>>>> >>>>> Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use this as >>>>> an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme >>>>> I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly hope >>>>> will become the go-to theme for scalability and >>>>> customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey theme >>>>> altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 >>>>> and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and customization. >>>>> Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... >>>>> >>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>> cont...@ryanlfoster.com >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like pieces >>>>>> of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are >>>>>> displayed in two rows. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>>>>>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as >>>>>>> it is (because there are advantages >>>>>>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <adrian.c...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo >>>>>>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of >>>>>>> the "chiclet" >>>>>>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >>>>>>> collapsible left column. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>> <sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp <sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>>>>>>> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org, >>>>>>> "Jacques Le Roux" <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>>>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>>>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>>>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>>>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >>>>>>> my mind >>>>>>>>> ..... :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep it, >>>>>>>>>> of course. >>>>>>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <adrian.c...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The current version of the theme is based on the original look >>>>>>>>>>> and feel of >>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. Around >>>>>>>>>>> the Spring of >>>>>>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style a >>>>>>>>>>> little more >>>>>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating >>>>>>>>>>> flexible layout >>>>>>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>>>>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>>>>>> can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional layout >>>>>>>>>>> (for rtl >>>>>>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>> community and, in >>>>>>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the fallback >>>>>>>>>>> theme when all >>>>>>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to update >>>>>>>>>>> it to make >>>>>>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other >>>>>>>>>>> themes. I'm >>>>>>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The current >>>>>>>>>>> templates and >>>>>>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I would also >>>>>>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>>>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>>>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>>>>>> http://www.lynx.de > >
