On May 3, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > From: "David E Jones" <d...@me.com> >> On May 3, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>> Is that harsh and rude? Yep. Do I care any more? Nope. Those who call it >>>> harsh or rude or unfair... they are the ones who need to >>>> rise to the level of quality expected instead of asking me to compromise. >>>> I'm done with that. >>> >>> Yes maybe a more hierarchised organisation is better to reach some goals. >>> This needs to be verified... Goal is the important word >>> here... >> >> I'm not interested in an hierarchy, ie I don't want anyone "under" me that >> I'm responsible for and have to boss around. Even Moqui is an unpaid >> volunteer effort, just more tightly controlled and the meritocracy bar is >> intentionally set higher. I don't know that OFBiz would do better as an >> hierarchy, my opinion is that more "free market" forces are needed and to me >> that means multiple competing projects. > > Actually, this was almost a provocation, but I did not get totally your point > of view as you explain below. What I meant is some parts could me managed by > some persons. We saw that sometimes a consensus is not reached. > Unfortunately, collegial decisions does not work in all cases. That's a fact, > a lesson we learned. So I sadly believe we (the community) definitively and > ultimately need a justice of the peace. A person who makes the decision in > last resort. Someone Karl Fogel called a benevolent dictator > http://markmail.org/message/euy7qz47u3sjwjvm. That's what we missed those > last times and Jacopo sort of complained about. On the other hand we know > things are not as simple as that: there are other means which influence the > decisions: blackmail, etc. This said, and to make things clear, it's about > OFBiz community, not about what you are proposing with Moqui which is more > decentralized and entrepreneurs oriented.
Yes, the questions with OFBiz is what will the future look like. If OFBiz moves toward being based on Moqui, and fitting into an ecosystem of projects instead of being an all-in-one project, what will be the new scope of Apache OFBiz? Should OFBiz be an ERP meant to be used as-is? If so, what size of business and sort of industry should it target? Alternatively, should it be a system that is meant to be customized and not used as-is (which was actually my original vision for OFBiz, though I know many have different visions and goals for the project)? Could OFBiz just be a base ERP system meant to be extended in other projects, but is usable OOTB as well? This might be a good topic for a separate thread... >> Perhaps even for you Jacques a more distributed ecosystem of projects might >> even be better. If you could work on anything you wanted, what would it be? >> What is your greatest strength and area of experience and could a project >> based on that exist (perhaps working with others, if you want)? > > I have to thing about it. I really enjoyed the work we did with Sascha, last > year. For the moment I just enjoy doing nothing, but I mean really NOTHING :D I hear you on this. One of my favorite movies is Office Space, partly because of the main character's Dream of Doing Nothing. One of his lines in response to being asked what he did over a weekend was something like "I did nothing, and it was everything I always thought it would be." Sometimes it's necessary to do nothing for a while, and have time to think and adjust priorities and recognize desires. On the other hand, it's a great feeling to work on something that excites and motivates you. This is where free markets can really allow for incredible productivity: when people are interested and excited and motivated, and feel a sense of ownership and pride in what they are working on, productivity shoots through the roof. I don't know of any human motivation that can produce similar results in productivity, and especially along with corresponding personal happiness and fulfillment. -David
