From: "David E Jones" <d...@me.com>
On May 3, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
From: "David E Jones" <d...@me.com>
On May 3, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Is that harsh and rude? Yep. Do I care any more? Nope. Those who call it harsh
or rude or unfair... they are the ones who need
to
rise to the level of quality expected instead of asking me to compromise. I'm
done with that.
Yes maybe a more hierarchised organisation is better to reach some goals. This
needs to be verified... Goal is the important
word
here...
I'm not interested in an hierarchy, ie I don't want anyone "under" me that I'm
responsible for and have to boss around. Even
Moqui is an unpaid volunteer effort, just more tightly controlled and the
meritocracy bar is intentionally set higher. I don't
know that OFBiz would do better as an hierarchy, my opinion is that more "free
market" forces are needed and to me that means
multiple competing projects.
Actually, this was almost a provocation, but I did not get totally your point
of view as you explain below. What I meant is some
parts could me managed by some persons. We saw that sometimes a consensus is
not reached. Unfortunately, collegial decisions does
not work in all cases. That's a fact, a lesson we learned. So I sadly believe
we (the community) definitively and ultimately need
a justice of the peace. A person who makes the decision in last resort. Someone
Karl Fogel called a benevolent dictator
http://markmail.org/message/euy7qz47u3sjwjvm. That's what we missed those last
times and Jacopo sort of complained about. On the
other hand we know things are not as simple as that: there are other means
which influence the decisions: blackmail, etc. This
said, and to make things clear, it's about OFBiz community, not about what you
are proposing with Moqui which is more
decentralized and entrepreneurs oriented.
Yes, the questions with OFBiz is what will the future look like. If OFBiz moves
toward being based on Moqui, and fitting into an
ecosystem of projects instead of being an all-in-one project, what will be the
new scope of Apache OFBiz?
Should OFBiz be an ERP meant to be used as-is? If so, what size of business and
sort of industry should it target? Alternatively,
should it be a system that is meant to be customized and not used as-is (which
was actually my original vision for OFBiz, though I
know many have different visions and goals for the project)? Could OFBiz just
be a base ERP system meant to be extended in other
projects, but is usable OOTB as well?
This might be a good topic for a separate thread...
Yes, for another day... I think most people use OFBiz as a template for their
own system. It contains now almost all what it's
needed for a web application project to be based on: there are tons of good
(and not as good) examples...
Perhaps even for you Jacques a more distributed ecosystem of projects might
even be better. If you could work on anything you
wanted, what would it be? What is your greatest strength and area of experience
and could a project based on that exist (perhaps
working with others, if you want)?
I have to thing about it. I really enjoyed the work we did with Sascha, last
year. For the moment I just enjoy doing nothing, but
I mean really NOTHING :D
I hear you on this. One of my favorite movies is Office Space, partly because
of the main character's Dream of Doing Nothing. One
of his lines in response to being asked what he did over a weekend was something
like "I did nothing, and it was everything I
always thought it would be." Sometimes it's necessary to do nothing for a
while, and have time to think and adjust priorities and
recognize desires.
Yes, it's vital actually, the harder is to not culpabilise and turn back to
spend energy
On the other hand, it's a great feeling to work on something that excites and
motivates you. This is where free markets can really
allow for incredible productivity: when people are interested and excited and
motivated, and feel a sense of ownership and pride
in what they are working on, productivity shoots through the roof. I don't know
of any human motivation that can produce similar
results in productivity, and especially along with corresponding personal
happiness and fulfillment.
Motivation is the key, I totally agree with you!
Jacques
-David
