On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 09:54:34PM -0000, Darrell May wrote: > > Charlie Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > I'm not sure that building such an iso will help things along much. > > Charlie, the goal is to keep everything current and make the install > process as easy as it should be. If we go back to the 5.0 iso it really was > a nuisance to install a new server, then immediately afterward be forced to > install all the blade updates, just to get to the most recent release. > (This appears to continue to be the Mitel direction however we have not seen > any blades for 5.1.2 released yet) It would have been preferred for Mitel > to simply issue a revised iso, maybe even a monthly iso, but this did not
I think you tend to ignore the other components of Mitel, such as their support teams. Releasing a revised iso every month would introduce many headaches for them. > happen. And this did not consider any of the fine contribs that were > available at the time. Something thats usefull for you is another few megs download for others. Not everyboady wants/needs any of the contribs, they currently have the choice to install any additional software that is usefull for their particular situation, thats a good approach IMO. The really usefull stuff is usually something that is very generic, such as the recent addition of quotas. > Right now, if I use the 5.1.2 iso to build and deploy a new server, from > the get go, it is still not current and ultimately does not contain what > many of us feel might be considered mandatory contribs. Let's take a quick > look: > > - a firewall without a port forwarding panel > - a backup/restore function without a selective restore panel > - a server without a tool to connect to the commandline from a Windows > client (webconsole). This is what you feel is mandatory, I feel other things are mandatory, such as checklog, mrtg/snmpd monitoring etc, each to their own. > just a few examples.... > > I think many of us listened to statement that said 'if you build it, we > just might incorporate it'. Unfortunately we are not seeing this happen. > Many excellent contribs await incorporating into the base iso. I think you tend to mix up whether a contrib is a very good addon for a few people, I personally think most of the contribs are great, as opposed to a business perspective as to whether this functionality should be provided in the default product which therefore should be supported as part of the distribution by the company providing this distribution. > So we are forced download and add as an example, Dan's PHP and IMP and then > we visit e-smith.org and we download a contrib from here and a few from > there and then we visit my site and download a few more and we manually > install of the above and after an hour or two we finally have our new SME > 5.1.2 ready to go. > > Wouldn't it be nice to have an iso that does all the above? This is so > easy to accomplish and something I do personally already. I build a custom > iso for my own installs as I know others do as well. And I doubt the isos are all the same. I think this is a situation where each person will have a different idea of what an ideal sme install is, and this you'd hope will differ depending on who will be handling this machine post installation. > All I'm saying is let's gather a list of the contribs that everyone feels > is a must have and we build and release an iso that is current and we keep > it current, say on a monthly basis. All that is needed is a monthly rsync > and we all keep our isos current. You can already rsync the contribs to anywhere you like and record them onto a second cd, and take that cd with you when you install or place them on a local fileserver, why reinvent the wheel? > And for those that might say that the server-manager will just get > cluttered, use my servermanager-navigation contrib, and pick and choose what > gets displayed :-) I prefer to know before I call any community orgs I support running e-smith what options they have in front of them, this is another case of where something thats usefull to you is a headache to me supporting a remote site where the people sitting at the admin manager have 0 admin experience. -- Damien -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
