On Fri, 2015-10-16 at 21:38 +1000, dean wrote: > On 10/16/15 20:09, Florent Daigniere wrote: > > On Fri, 2015-10-16 at 19:09 +1000, dean wrote: > > > > Is "pretending that Opennet can work" still the official > > > > project's > > > > line? > > > > > > In regards to this I must protest. I don't have any cyberpunk > > > friends > > > :( > > > > Protest all you want; it's useless unless you come up with > > solutions. > > > > If the aim of the project is to protect (Chinese, ...) dissidents > > we > > have to account for their threat model. > > Why cant freenet have more than one aim? Darknet for the more extreme > threats? >
It can but we need to be honest about which aims are achievable and which ones aren't. > > As far as I know it has to include state level actors... Given > > that, I don't know how to make any > > form of opennet securely work for them. Do you? > > No I do not, I'm certainly not an expert in this area. I was hoping > the > experts were working for the freenet project.... > > I always liked the idea of wireless mesh routing like freedom box > claim > (i have not tried this) could assist against state level threats or > some > sort of dead drop system or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PirateBox > might come in handy when the adversary owns infrastructure. > That's called darknet. > Maybe I need to research this topic more but I don't understand how > just > darknet can operate on its own. That's what freenet does: connect darknets together and route "stuff" across them efficiently. > What happens when all you get is many > small isolated darknets who cannot share with each other? Datastore > sneakernet? Isn't half the point of opennet to connect various > darknets > together? No it's not. Opennet is and has always been about "getting users"- >"getting funds"->"make progress" Opennet is what freenet 0.5 and before were. > and assist the darknet users to "get their message out"? or > else what is the point of them publishing anything? > > > Or even better, maybe I just need to make some new friends? > That sounds like a plan. We should probably revise the terminology too; your neighboors constitute perfect "friends" as far as darknet is concerned. If you can use a direct link to them that $opponent can't monitor and $ISP can't throttle, it's even better. Florent
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