On 10/16/15 22:02, Florent Daigniere wrote: > On Fri, 2015-10-16 at 21:38 +1000, dean wrote: >> On 10/16/15 20:09, Florent Daigniere wrote: >>> On Fri, 2015-10-16 at 19:09 +1000, dean wrote: >>>>> Is "pretending that Opennet can work" still the official >>>>> project's >>>>> line? >>>> >>>> In regards to this I must protest. I don't have any cyberpunk >>>> friends >>>> :( >>> >>> Protest all you want; it's useless unless you come up with >>> solutions. >>> >>> If the aim of the project is to protect (Chinese, ...) dissidents >>> we >>> have to account for their threat model. >> >> Why cant freenet have more than one aim? Darknet for the more extreme >> threats? >> > > It can but we need to be honest about which aims are achievable and > which ones aren't. > >>> As far as I know it has to include state level actors... Given >>> that, I don't know how to make any >>> form of opennet securely work for them. Do you? >> >> No I do not, I'm certainly not an expert in this area. I was hoping >> the >> experts were working for the freenet project.... >> >> I always liked the idea of wireless mesh routing like freedom box >> claim >> (i have not tried this) could assist against state level threats or >> some >> sort of dead drop system or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PirateBox >> might come in handy when the adversary owns infrastructure. >> > > That's called darknet. > >> Maybe I need to research this topic more but I don't understand how >> just >> darknet can operate on its own. > > That's what freenet does: connect darknets together and route "stuff" > across them efficiently. > >> What happens when all you get is many >> small isolated darknets who cannot share with each other? Datastore >> sneakernet? Isn't half the point of opennet to connect various >> darknets >> together? > > No it's not. Opennet is and has always been about "getting users"- >> "getting funds"->"make progress" > > Opennet is what freenet 0.5 and before were. > >> and assist the darknet users to "get their message out"? or >> else what is the point of them publishing anything? >> >> >> Or even better, maybe I just need to make some new friends? >> >
Is there a wiki page or documentation somewhere where I can find out how to do this??? ;-) > That sounds like a plan. > > We should probably revise the terminology too; your neighboors > constitute perfect "friends" as far as darknet is concerned. If you can > use a direct link to them that $opponent can't monitor and $ISP can't > throttle, it's even better. > What about trustees? Its more about trust than how well you get along with someone. > Florent > > >
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