On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Vincent and all, > > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:08 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Andrea/all, >> >> On 10 Jun 2014 at 08:46:45, Andreea Popescu ([email protected] >> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >> >> > Hello all, >> > >> > Following the "Start supporting IE10 and IE11" thread I’d like to propose >> > to vote if we will support IE10 and IE11. >> >> FTR the thread in question is at >> http://markmail.org/message/zjlbcfkl5cqnrwfk >> >> > The most important reasons for supporting these versions are: >> > >> > - Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9 are still widely used by >> > users, but many of them are currently choosing to update to IE10 and >> IE11. >> > - according to netmarketshare.com (Browsers -> Desktop Share by Version) >> > from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users and IE11 by 16.61% >> users. >> > It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the older versions (IE8 - 20.85% >> > and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is still significant. >> > >> > Here’s my +1. >> >> On the above-mentioned thread Marius had proposed to support only the >> latest version of each browser, which is basically what we’re doing except >> for IE. The rationale is that it takes time to support all browsers and the >> community can only do so much. Companies offering paid services on top of >> XWiki could support the other browser versions for their customers. >> > > We see here that Marius have done the most for our UI, and he know how > costly it is to support different browser. I have my own experience in that > field with another product, so I really understand your point Marius. > > >> While I understand that, my POV is a bit different: I’d like that we >> support the top browsers/versions used by the majority of people, because I >> feel XWiki will be successful if the majority of people can use it without >> problems. >> > > I fully agree. > > >> >> Looking at the graph at >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy if >> we were to support at least the top 6 browser/versions we would cover 70% >> of the user base. For IE this means supporting IE8-11. Note that strangely >> IE8 is the top browser in market shares, way above most of the others… Not >> supporting it ATM would mean “loosing" 20%+ of users. If we have problems >> supporting, say the top 10 browsers, then we can drop to top 6, if that’s >> an issue, then to top 5, etc. ATM we’re supporting 5 browsers and with >> IE10-11, this would mean raising to 7 browsers. I propose that we try it >> with the additional 2 browsers (IE10-11) and see if it’s a burden for us or >> it’s manageable. >> > > However, this is not so black and white this should be part of the > discussion. While we may increase our luck of supporting many browser by > simply using an appropriate javascript and CSS framework (Prototype and now > JQuery, Bootstrap), testing and ensuring that a lot of browser version is > fully compatible could be a tremendous task that I sure we probably do not > fully achieve now. > > IMO, we should ensure the most essential features of XWiki degrade nicely > in any browser by having a not too convoluted UI for them. Aside of it, we > should be able to benefit of the latest HTML5 improvement to provide really > appealing interface, and supporting only the latest browser is best for > allowing that. To achieve that goal, IMO we should declare that we only > support the latest browser, and that essential feature are supported on any > browser in degraded form. We should carefully test latest browser, and only > test essential features on a chosen subset of old browser (the most > popular, like IE8). > > If you ask, what are the essential feature, I would reply by a very clear > example, to edit a document, having a fully WYSIWYG editor is not > essential. If you want it really and you decide that it is worth the > effort, you may upgrade your browser. Of course, we already have the actual > WYSIWYG editor almost working properly, we should not completely break it > now. But we may clearly state and accept that it have some limits, and put > effort on new features instead of trying to fix old features in IE8 for > example, event if this limit the IE8 compatibility of the editor (if it is > still basically usable of course). Overtime, we may accept more issue with > IE8 and a such non essential feature, when the market share continue to > drop. > > If have the now the ability to sustain a better effort in browser support, > the browser I would like to see better supported are the mobile ones. We > have not put enough effort on the mobility aspect, and we should not > consider Safari, Chrome or Firefox as single browsers, their mobile counter > part also require some attention. > > >> So there are 2 questions in here: >> - Starting the support for IE10-11: I’m +1 for that >> >
> +1 as well +1 > > >> - Deciding if we want to support only one version for each browser or >> instead support the highest browsers in marketshare. I’m +1 for the >> marketshare approach. >> > > +1 to only support essentiel feature on any browser, testing the one or two > that have the highest marketshare for confirmation. +1 for Denis' suggestion to support only basic features in older IE versions. Note that in practice this is what we're doing since we don't hurry to fix issues with IE8 that are not critical, i.e. that don't affect important features. Thanks, Marius > > Thanks, > > >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > > -- > Denis Gervalle > SOFTEC sa - CEO > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
