Ok let me rephrase that a bit, what I would like to apply is what MS plan to upgrade: "only the most current version of Internet Explorer available for a supported operating system". So based on what's on http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle.
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:45 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On 4 Sep 2014 at 16:43:42, Thomas Mortagne >> ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >> >>> IMO we should modify >>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy >>> with something like "we support what Microsoft support". It's simple >>> and easy to defend IMO (why the hell would we do what Microsoft does >>> not ?). >> >> I don’t like this too much because there are various levels of support. >> General support and the companies take specific IE support for older >> versions. > > I'm talking about general support (what MS call "mainstream support" > on http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle) of course > since that's what we are talking about here. > >> >> And then I don’t necessarily agree to support old versions of IE even if MS >> support them. For me it’s our choice to make. >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau >>> wrote: >>> > +1 for IE9/10/11 >>> > +0 for IE8 (there is a lot of users but even Microsoft does not support >>> > it!) >>> > >>> > >>> > 2014-09-04 16:11 GMT+02:00 Thomas Mortagne : >>> > >>> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Thomas Mortagne >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > What about supporting what Microsoft support ? That means not IE9/10/11 >>> >> only. >>> >> >>> >> Remove the "not" of course. >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > See >>> >> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/08/07/stay-up-to-date-with-internet-explorer.aspx >>> >> . >>> >> > >>> >> > IMO we should not do more that the own browser editor does. >>> >> > >>> >> > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM, [email protected] >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >> Reviving this thread since we need to decide and lots of committers >>> >> haven’t voted yet! >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I’ve updated >>> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy with >>> >> recent market share. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Note that there are various other sources and they don’t seem to show >>> >> similar data: >>> >> >> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers >>> >> >> - >>> >> >> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts_de_march%C3%A9_des_navigateurs_web >>> >> >> - http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php >>> >> >> >>> >> >> However I think they all show that if we wish to support 80% of users >>> >> we have to support about the 10 top browsers used and AFAICS this >>> >> includes: >>> >> >> - IE8/9/10/11 >>> >> >> - FF latest >>> >> >> - Chrome latest >>> >> >> - Safari latest >>> >> >> >>> >> >> It seems market shared for IE8/9 are still high. However IE10 is less >>> >> high (probably because those who upgraded to it quickly upgraded to >>> >> IE11)? >>> >> >> >>> >> >> So far we have the following votes: >>> >> >> - Andrea: +1 to support IE10/11 >>> >> >> - Vincent: +1 to support IE10/11 >>> >> >> - Marius: +1 to support IE11, +0 to support IE8/9/10 >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Thanks >>> >> >> -Vincent >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On 10 Jun 2014 at 09:08:43, [email protected] ([email protected] >>> >> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> Hi Andrea/all, >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> On 10 Jun 2014 at 08:46:45, Andreea Popescu >>> >> >>> ([email protected] >>> >> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> > Hello all, >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > Following the "Start supporting IE10 and IE11" thread I’d like to >>> >> propose >>> >> >>> > to vote if we will support IE10 and IE11. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> FTR the thread in question is at >>> >> http://markmail.org/message/zjlbcfkl5cqnrwfk >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> > The most important reasons for supporting these versions are: >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > - Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9 are still widely used >>> >> by >>> >> >>> > users, but many of them are currently choosing to update to IE10 >>> >> >>> > and >>> >> IE11. >>> >> >>> > - according to netmarketshare.com (Browsers -> Desktop Share by >>> >> Version) >>> >> >>> > from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users and IE11 by >>> >> >>> > 16.61% >>> >> users. >>> >> >>> > It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the older versions (IE8 - >>> >> 20.85% >>> >> >>> > and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is still significant. >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > Here’s my +1. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> On the above-mentioned thread Marius had proposed to support only the >>> >> latest version of each browser, which is basically what we’re doing >>> >> except >>> >> for IE. The rationale is that it takes time to support all browsers and >>> >> the >>> >> community can only do so much. Companies offering paid services on top of >>> >> XWiki could support the other browser versions for their customers. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> While I understand that, my POV is a bit different: I’d like that we >>> >> support the top browsers/versions used by the majority of people, >>> >> because I >>> >> feel XWiki will be successful if the majority of people can use it >>> >> without >>> >> problems. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Looking at the graph at >>> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy if >>> >> we were to support at least the top 6 browser/versions we would cover 70% >>> >> of the user base. For IE this means supporting IE8-11. Note that >>> >> strangely >>> >> IE8 is the top browser in market shares, way above most of the others… >>> >> Not >>> >> supporting it ATM would mean “loosing" 20%+ of users. If we have problems >>> >> supporting, say the top 10 browsers, then we can drop to top 6, if that’s >>> >> an issue, then to top 5, etc. ATM we’re supporting 5 browsers and with >>> >> IE10-11, this would mean raising to 7 browsers. I propose that we try it >>> >> with the additional 2 browsers (IE10-11) and see if it’s a burden for us >>> >> or >>> >> it’s manageable. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> So there are 2 questions in here: >>> >> >>> - Starting the support for IE10-11: I’m +1 for that >>> >> >>> - Deciding if we want to support only one version for each browser or >>> >> instead support the highest browsers in marketshare. I’m +1 for the >>> >> marketshare approach. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Thanks >>> >> >>> -Vincent >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> devs mailing list >>> >> >> [email protected] >>> >> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > Thomas Mortagne >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Thomas Mortagne >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> devs mailing list >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > devs mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Mortagne >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne -- Thomas Mortagne _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
