On 4 Sep 2014 at 16:43:42, Thomas Mortagne
([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> IMO we should modify
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy
> with something like "we support what Microsoft support". It's simple
> and easy to defend IMO (why the hell would we do what Microsoft does
> not ?).
I don’t like this too much because there are various levels of support. General
support and the companies take specific IE support for older versions.
And then I don’t necessarily agree to support old versions of IE even if MS
support them. For me it’s our choice to make.
Thanks
-Vincent
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
> wrote:
> > +1 for IE9/10/11
> > +0 for IE8 (there is a lot of users but even Microsoft does not support it!)
> >
> >
> > 2014-09-04 16:11 GMT+02:00 Thomas Mortagne :
> >
> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Thomas Mortagne
> >> wrote:
> >> > What about supporting what Microsoft support ? That means not IE9/10/11
> >> only.
> >>
> >> Remove the "not" of course.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > See
> >> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/08/07/stay-up-to-date-with-internet-explorer.aspx
> >> .
> >> >
> >> > IMO we should not do more that the own browser editor does.
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM, [email protected]
> >> wrote:
> >> >> Reviving this thread since we need to decide and lots of committers
> >> haven’t voted yet!
> >> >>
> >> >> I’ve updated
> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy with
> >> recent market share.
> >> >>
> >> >> Note that there are various other sources and they don’t seem to show
> >> similar data:
> >> >> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers
> >> >> - http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts_de_march%C3%A9_des_navigateurs_web
> >> >> - http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
> >> >>
> >> >> However I think they all show that if we wish to support 80% of users
> >> we have to support about the 10 top browsers used and AFAICS this includes:
> >> >> - IE8/9/10/11
> >> >> - FF latest
> >> >> - Chrome latest
> >> >> - Safari latest
> >> >>
> >> >> It seems market shared for IE8/9 are still high. However IE10 is less
> >> high (probably because those who upgraded to it quickly upgraded to IE11)?
> >> >>
> >> >> So far we have the following votes:
> >> >> - Andrea: +1 to support IE10/11
> >> >> - Vincent: +1 to support IE10/11
> >> >> - Marius: +1 to support IE11, +0 to support IE8/9/10
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> -Vincent
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 10 Jun 2014 at 09:08:43, [email protected] ([email protected]
> >> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hi Andrea/all,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 10 Jun 2014 at 08:46:45, Andreea Popescu ([email protected]
> >> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > Hello all,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Following the "Start supporting IE10 and IE11" thread I’d like to
> >> propose
> >> >>> > to vote if we will support IE10 and IE11.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> FTR the thread in question is at
> >> http://markmail.org/message/zjlbcfkl5cqnrwfk
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > The most important reasons for supporting these versions are:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > - Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9 are still widely used
> >> by
> >> >>> > users, but many of them are currently choosing to update to IE10 and
> >> IE11.
> >> >>> > - according to netmarketshare.com (Browsers -> Desktop Share by
> >> Version)
> >> >>> > from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users and IE11 by 16.61%
> >> users.
> >> >>> > It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the older versions (IE8 -
> >> 20.85%
> >> >>> > and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is still significant.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Here’s my +1.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On the above-mentioned thread Marius had proposed to support only the
> >> latest version of each browser, which is basically what we’re doing except
> >> for IE. The rationale is that it takes time to support all browsers and the
> >> community can only do so much. Companies offering paid services on top of
> >> XWiki could support the other browser versions for their customers.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> While I understand that, my POV is a bit different: I’d like that we
> >> support the top browsers/versions used by the majority of people, because I
> >> feel XWiki will be successful if the majority of people can use it without
> >> problems.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Looking at the graph at
> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy if
> >> we were to support at least the top 6 browser/versions we would cover 70%
> >> of the user base. For IE this means supporting IE8-11. Note that strangely
> >> IE8 is the top browser in market shares, way above most of the others… Not
> >> supporting it ATM would mean “loosing" 20%+ of users. If we have problems
> >> supporting, say the top 10 browsers, then we can drop to top 6, if that’s
> >> an issue, then to top 5, etc. ATM we’re supporting 5 browsers and with
> >> IE10-11, this would mean raising to 7 browsers. I propose that we try it
> >> with the additional 2 browsers (IE10-11) and see if it’s a burden for us or
> >> it’s manageable.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So there are 2 questions in here:
> >> >>> - Starting the support for IE10-11: I’m +1 for that
> >> >>> - Deciding if we want to support only one version for each browser or
> >> instead support the highest browsers in marketshare. I’m +1 for the
> >> marketshare approach.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks
> >> >>> -Vincent
> >> >>>
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