On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<[email protected]> wrote:
> What about supporting what Microsoft support ? That means not IE9/10/11 only.

Remove the "not" of course.

>
> See 
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/08/07/stay-up-to-date-with-internet-explorer.aspx.
>
> IMO we should not do more that the own browser editor does.
>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Reviving this thread since we need to decide and lots of committers haven’t 
>> voted yet!
>>
>> I’ve updated 
>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy with 
>> recent market share.
>>
>> Note that there are various other sources and they don’t seem to show 
>> similar data:
>> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers
>> - http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts_de_march%C3%A9_des_navigateurs_web
>> - http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
>>
>> However I think they all show that if we wish to support 80% of users we 
>> have to support about the 10 top browsers used and AFAICS this includes:
>> - IE8/9/10/11
>> - FF latest
>> - Chrome latest
>> - Safari latest
>>
>> It seems market shared for IE8/9 are still high. However IE10 is less high 
>> (probably because those who upgraded to it quickly upgraded to IE11)?
>>
>> So far we have the following votes:
>> - Andrea: +1 to support IE10/11
>> - Vincent: +1 to support IE10/11
>> - Marius: +1 to support IE11, +0 to support IE8/9/10
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>
>> On 10 Jun 2014 at 09:08:43, [email protected] 
>> ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrea/all,
>>>
>>> On 10 Jun 2014 at 08:46:45, Andreea Popescu 
>>> ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hello all,
>>> >
>>> > Following the "Start supporting IE10 and IE11" thread I’d like to propose
>>> > to vote if we will support IE10 and IE11.
>>>
>>> FTR the thread in question is at 
>>> http://markmail.org/message/zjlbcfkl5cqnrwfk
>>>
>>> > The most important reasons for supporting these versions are:
>>> >
>>> > - Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9 are still widely used by
>>> > users, but many of them are currently choosing to update to IE10 and IE11.
>>> > - according to netmarketshare.com (Browsers -> Desktop Share by Version)
>>> > from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users and IE11 by 16.61% 
>>> > users.
>>> > It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the older versions (IE8 - 20.85%
>>> > and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is still significant.
>>> >
>>> > Here’s my +1.
>>>
>>> On the above-mentioned thread Marius had proposed to support only the 
>>> latest version of each browser, which is basically what we’re doing except 
>>> for IE. The rationale is that it takes time to support all browsers and the 
>>> community can only do so much. Companies offering paid services on top of 
>>> XWiki could support the other browser versions for their customers.
>>>
>>> While I understand that, my POV is a bit different: I’d like that we 
>>> support the top browsers/versions used by the majority of people, because I 
>>> feel XWiki will be successful if the majority of people can use it without 
>>> problems.
>>>
>>> Looking at the graph at 
>>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy if we 
>>> were to support at least the top 6 browser/versions we would cover 70% of 
>>> the user base. For IE this means supporting IE8-11. Note that strangely IE8 
>>> is the top browser in market shares, way above most of the others… Not 
>>> supporting it ATM would mean “loosing" 20%+ of users. If we have problems 
>>> supporting, say the top 10 browsers, then we can drop to top 6, if that’s 
>>> an issue, then to top 5, etc. ATM we’re supporting 5 browsers and with 
>>> IE10-11, this would mean raising to 7 browsers. I propose that we try it 
>>> with the additional 2 browsers (IE10-11) and see if it’s a burden for us or 
>>> it’s manageable.
>>>
>>> So there are 2 questions in here:
>>> - Starting the support for IE10-11: I’m +1 for that
>>> - Deciding if we want to support only one version for each browser or 
>>> instead support the highest browsers in marketshare. I’m +1 for the 
>>> marketshare approach.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
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