On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok let me rephrase that a bit, what I would like to apply is what MS > plan to upgrade: "only the most current version of Internet Explorer
s/upgrade/apply/ > available for a supported operating system". So based on what's on > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle. > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Thomas Mortagne > <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:45 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4 Sep 2014 at 16:43:42, Thomas Mortagne >>> ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >>> >>>> IMO we should modify >>>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy >>>> with something like "we support what Microsoft support". It's simple >>>> and easy to defend IMO (why the hell would we do what Microsoft does >>>> not ?). >>> >>> I don’t like this too much because there are various levels of support. >>> General support and the companies take specific IE support for older >>> versions. >> >> I'm talking about general support (what MS call "mainstream support" >> on http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle) of course >> since that's what we are talking about here. >> >>> >>> And then I don’t necessarily agree to support old versions of IE even if MS >>> support them. For me it’s our choice to make. >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau >>>> wrote: >>>> > +1 for IE9/10/11 >>>> > +0 for IE8 (there is a lot of users but even Microsoft does not support >>>> > it!) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > 2014-09-04 16:11 GMT+02:00 Thomas Mortagne : >>>> > >>>> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Thomas Mortagne >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> > What about supporting what Microsoft support ? That means not >>>> >> > IE9/10/11 >>>> >> only. >>>> >> >>>> >> Remove the "not" of course. >>>> >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> > See >>>> >> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/08/07/stay-up-to-date-with-internet-explorer.aspx >>>> >> . >>>> >> > >>>> >> > IMO we should not do more that the own browser editor does. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM, [email protected] >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >> Reviving this thread since we need to decide and lots of committers >>>> >> haven’t voted yet! >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> I’ve updated >>>> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy >>>> >> with >>>> >> recent market share. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Note that there are various other sources and they don’t seem to show >>>> >> similar data: >>>> >> >> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers >>>> >> >> - >>>> >> >> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts_de_march%C3%A9_des_navigateurs_web >>>> >> >> - http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> However I think they all show that if we wish to support 80% of users >>>> >> we have to support about the 10 top browsers used and AFAICS this >>>> >> includes: >>>> >> >> - IE8/9/10/11 >>>> >> >> - FF latest >>>> >> >> - Chrome latest >>>> >> >> - Safari latest >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> It seems market shared for IE8/9 are still high. However IE10 is less >>>> >> high (probably because those who upgraded to it quickly upgraded to >>>> >> IE11)? >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> So far we have the following votes: >>>> >> >> - Andrea: +1 to support IE10/11 >>>> >> >> - Vincent: +1 to support IE10/11 >>>> >> >> - Marius: +1 to support IE11, +0 to support IE8/9/10 >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Thanks >>>> >> >> -Vincent >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> On 10 Jun 2014 at 09:08:43, [email protected] ([email protected] >>>> >> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> Hi Andrea/all, >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> On 10 Jun 2014 at 08:46:45, Andreea Popescu >>>> >> >>> ([email protected] >>>> >> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Hello all, >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> > Following the "Start supporting IE10 and IE11" thread I’d like to >>>> >> propose >>>> >> >>> > to vote if we will support IE10 and IE11. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> FTR the thread in question is at >>>> >> http://markmail.org/message/zjlbcfkl5cqnrwfk >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > The most important reasons for supporting these versions are: >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> > - Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9 are still widely >>>> >> >>> > used >>>> >> by >>>> >> >>> > users, but many of them are currently choosing to update to IE10 >>>> >> >>> > and >>>> >> IE11. >>>> >> >>> > - according to netmarketshare.com (Browsers -> Desktop Share by >>>> >> Version) >>>> >> >>> > from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users and IE11 by >>>> >> >>> > 16.61% >>>> >> users. >>>> >> >>> > It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the older versions (IE8 - >>>> >> 20.85% >>>> >> >>> > and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is still significant. >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> > Here’s my +1. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> On the above-mentioned thread Marius had proposed to support only >>>> >> >>> the >>>> >> latest version of each browser, which is basically what we’re doing >>>> >> except >>>> >> for IE. The rationale is that it takes time to support all browsers and >>>> >> the >>>> >> community can only do so much. Companies offering paid services on top >>>> >> of >>>> >> XWiki could support the other browser versions for their customers. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> While I understand that, my POV is a bit different: I’d like that we >>>> >> support the top browsers/versions used by the majority of people, >>>> >> because I >>>> >> feel XWiki will be successful if the majority of people can use it >>>> >> without >>>> >> problems. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Looking at the graph at >>>> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy if >>>> >> we were to support at least the top 6 browser/versions we would cover >>>> >> 70% >>>> >> of the user base. For IE this means supporting IE8-11. Note that >>>> >> strangely >>>> >> IE8 is the top browser in market shares, way above most of the others… >>>> >> Not >>>> >> supporting it ATM would mean “loosing" 20%+ of users. If we have >>>> >> problems >>>> >> supporting, say the top 10 browsers, then we can drop to top 6, if >>>> >> that’s >>>> >> an issue, then to top 5, etc. ATM we’re supporting 5 browsers and with >>>> >> IE10-11, this would mean raising to 7 browsers. I propose that we try it >>>> >> with the additional 2 browsers (IE10-11) and see if it’s a burden for >>>> >> us or >>>> >> it’s manageable. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> So there are 2 questions in here: >>>> >> >>> - Starting the support for IE10-11: I’m +1 for that >>>> >> >>> - Deciding if we want to support only one version for each browser >>>> >> >>> or >>>> >> instead support the highest browsers in marketshare. I’m +1 for the >>>> >> marketshare approach. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Thanks >>>> >> >>> -Vincent >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> >> devs mailing list >>>> >> >> [email protected] >>>> >> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -- >>>> >> > Thomas Mortagne >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Thomas Mortagne >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> devs mailing list >>>> >> [email protected] >>>> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>> >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > devs mailing list >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thomas Mortagne >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> devs mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Mortagne > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne -- Thomas Mortagne _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
