On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:45 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 4 Sep 2014 at 16:43:42, Thomas Mortagne > ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > >> IMO we should modify >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy >> with something like "we support what Microsoft support". It's simple >> and easy to defend IMO (why the hell would we do what Microsoft does >> not ?). > > I don’t like this too much because there are various levels of support. > General support and the companies take specific IE support for older versions.
I'm talking about general support (what MS call "mainstream support" on http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle) of course since that's what we are talking about here. > > And then I don’t necessarily agree to support old versions of IE even if MS > support them. For me it’s our choice to make. > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau >> wrote: >> > +1 for IE9/10/11 >> > +0 for IE8 (there is a lot of users but even Microsoft does not support >> > it!) >> > >> > >> > 2014-09-04 16:11 GMT+02:00 Thomas Mortagne : >> > >> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Thomas Mortagne >> >> wrote: >> >> > What about supporting what Microsoft support ? That means not IE9/10/11 >> >> only. >> >> >> >> Remove the "not" of course. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > See >> >> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/08/07/stay-up-to-date-with-internet-explorer.aspx >> >> . >> >> > >> >> > IMO we should not do more that the own browser editor does. >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM, [email protected] >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Reviving this thread since we need to decide and lots of committers >> >> haven’t voted yet! >> >> >> >> >> >> I’ve updated >> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy with >> >> recent market share. >> >> >> >> >> >> Note that there are various other sources and they don’t seem to show >> >> similar data: >> >> >> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers >> >> >> - http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts_de_march%C3%A9_des_navigateurs_web >> >> >> - http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php >> >> >> >> >> >> However I think they all show that if we wish to support 80% of users >> >> we have to support about the 10 top browsers used and AFAICS this >> >> includes: >> >> >> - IE8/9/10/11 >> >> >> - FF latest >> >> >> - Chrome latest >> >> >> - Safari latest >> >> >> >> >> >> It seems market shared for IE8/9 are still high. However IE10 is less >> >> high (probably because those who upgraded to it quickly upgraded to IE11)? >> >> >> >> >> >> So far we have the following votes: >> >> >> - Andrea: +1 to support IE10/11 >> >> >> - Vincent: +1 to support IE10/11 >> >> >> - Marius: +1 to support IE11, +0 to support IE8/9/10 >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> -Vincent >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10 Jun 2014 at 09:08:43, [email protected] ([email protected] >> >> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Andrea/all, >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On 10 Jun 2014 at 08:46:45, Andreea Popescu ([email protected] >> >> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> > Hello all, >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > Following the "Start supporting IE10 and IE11" thread I’d like to >> >> propose >> >> >>> > to vote if we will support IE10 and IE11. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> FTR the thread in question is at >> >> http://markmail.org/message/zjlbcfkl5cqnrwfk >> >> >>> >> >> >>> > The most important reasons for supporting these versions are: >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > - Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9 are still widely used >> >> by >> >> >>> > users, but many of them are currently choosing to update to IE10 and >> >> IE11. >> >> >>> > - according to netmarketshare.com (Browsers -> Desktop Share by >> >> Version) >> >> >>> > from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users and IE11 by 16.61% >> >> users. >> >> >>> > It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the older versions (IE8 - >> >> 20.85% >> >> >>> > and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is still significant. >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > Here’s my +1. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On the above-mentioned thread Marius had proposed to support only the >> >> latest version of each browser, which is basically what we’re doing except >> >> for IE. The rationale is that it takes time to support all browsers and >> >> the >> >> community can only do so much. Companies offering paid services on top of >> >> XWiki could support the other browser versions for their customers. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> While I understand that, my POV is a bit different: I’d like that we >> >> support the top browsers/versions used by the majority of people, because >> >> I >> >> feel XWiki will be successful if the majority of people can use it without >> >> problems. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Looking at the graph at >> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy if >> >> we were to support at least the top 6 browser/versions we would cover 70% >> >> of the user base. For IE this means supporting IE8-11. Note that strangely >> >> IE8 is the top browser in market shares, way above most of the others… Not >> >> supporting it ATM would mean “loosing" 20%+ of users. If we have problems >> >> supporting, say the top 10 browsers, then we can drop to top 6, if that’s >> >> an issue, then to top 5, etc. ATM we’re supporting 5 browsers and with >> >> IE10-11, this would mean raising to 7 browsers. I propose that we try it >> >> with the additional 2 browsers (IE10-11) and see if it’s a burden for us >> >> or >> >> it’s manageable. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> So there are 2 questions in here: >> >> >>> - Starting the support for IE10-11: I’m +1 for that >> >> >>> - Deciding if we want to support only one version for each browser or >> >> instead support the highest browsers in marketshare. I’m +1 for the >> >> marketshare approach. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Thanks >> >> >>> -Vincent >> >> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> devs mailing list >> >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Thomas Mortagne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Thomas Mortagne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> devs mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > devs mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Mortagne >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs -- Thomas Mortagne _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
