On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Thomas Mortagne > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ok let me rephrase that a bit, what I would like to apply is what MS >> plan to upgrade: "only the most current version of Internet Explorer > > s/upgrade/apply/ > >> available for a supported operating system". So based on what's on >> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle.
Right now this mean dropping support for 8 and 9. >> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Thomas Mortagne >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:45 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4 Sep 2014 at 16:43:42, Thomas Mortagne >>>> ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >>>> >>>>> IMO we should modify >>>>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy >>>>> with something like "we support what Microsoft support". It's simple >>>>> and easy to defend IMO (why the hell would we do what Microsoft does >>>>> not ?). >>>> >>>> I don’t like this too much because there are various levels of support. >>>> General support and the companies take specific IE support for older >>>> versions. >>> >>> I'm talking about general support (what MS call "mainstream support" >>> on http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle) of course >>> since that's what we are talking about here. >>> >>>> >>>> And then I don’t necessarily agree to support old versions of IE even if >>>> MS support them. For me it’s our choice to make. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> -Vincent >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > +1 for IE9/10/11 >>>>> > +0 for IE8 (there is a lot of users but even Microsoft does not support >>>>> > it!) >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > 2014-09-04 16:11 GMT+02:00 Thomas Mortagne : >>>>> > >>>>> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Thomas Mortagne >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> > What about supporting what Microsoft support ? That means not >>>>> >> > IE9/10/11 >>>>> >> only. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Remove the "not" of course. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > See >>>>> >> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/08/07/stay-up-to-date-with-internet-explorer.aspx >>>>> >> . >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > IMO we should not do more that the own browser editor does. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM, [email protected] >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >> Reviving this thread since we need to decide and lots of committers >>>>> >> haven’t voted yet! >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> I’ve updated >>>>> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy >>>>> >> with >>>>> >> recent market share. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Note that there are various other sources and they don’t seem to >>>>> >> >> show >>>>> >> similar data: >>>>> >> >> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers >>>>> >> >> - >>>>> >> >> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts_de_march%C3%A9_des_navigateurs_web >>>>> >> >> - http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> However I think they all show that if we wish to support 80% of >>>>> >> >> users >>>>> >> we have to support about the 10 top browsers used and AFAICS this >>>>> >> includes: >>>>> >> >> - IE8/9/10/11 >>>>> >> >> - FF latest >>>>> >> >> - Chrome latest >>>>> >> >> - Safari latest >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> It seems market shared for IE8/9 are still high. However IE10 is >>>>> >> >> less >>>>> >> high (probably because those who upgraded to it quickly upgraded to >>>>> >> IE11)? >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> So far we have the following votes: >>>>> >> >> - Andrea: +1 to support IE10/11 >>>>> >> >> - Vincent: +1 to support IE10/11 >>>>> >> >> - Marius: +1 to support IE11, +0 to support IE8/9/10 >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Thanks >>>>> >> >> -Vincent >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> On 10 Jun 2014 at 09:08:43, [email protected] ([email protected] >>>>> >> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> Hi Andrea/all, >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> On 10 Jun 2014 at 08:46:45, Andreea Popescu >>>>> >> >>> ([email protected] >>>>> >> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> > Hello all, >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > Following the "Start supporting IE10 and IE11" thread I’d like to >>>>> >> propose >>>>> >> >>> > to vote if we will support IE10 and IE11. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> FTR the thread in question is at >>>>> >> http://markmail.org/message/zjlbcfkl5cqnrwfk >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> > The most important reasons for supporting these versions are: >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > - Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9 are still widely >>>>> >> >>> > used >>>>> >> by >>>>> >> >>> > users, but many of them are currently choosing to update to IE10 >>>>> >> >>> > and >>>>> >> IE11. >>>>> >> >>> > - according to netmarketshare.com (Browsers -> Desktop Share by >>>>> >> Version) >>>>> >> >>> > from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users and IE11 by >>>>> >> >>> > 16.61% >>>>> >> users. >>>>> >> >>> > It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the older versions (IE8 >>>>> >> >>> > - >>>>> >> 20.85% >>>>> >> >>> > and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is still significant. >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > Here’s my +1. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> On the above-mentioned thread Marius had proposed to support only >>>>> >> >>> the >>>>> >> latest version of each browser, which is basically what we’re doing >>>>> >> except >>>>> >> for IE. The rationale is that it takes time to support all browsers >>>>> >> and the >>>>> >> community can only do so much. Companies offering paid services on top >>>>> >> of >>>>> >> XWiki could support the other browser versions for their customers. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> While I understand that, my POV is a bit different: I’d like that >>>>> >> >>> we >>>>> >> support the top browsers/versions used by the majority of people, >>>>> >> because I >>>>> >> feel XWiki will be successful if the majority of people can use it >>>>> >> without >>>>> >> problems. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Looking at the graph at >>>>> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy if >>>>> >> we were to support at least the top 6 browser/versions we would cover >>>>> >> 70% >>>>> >> of the user base. For IE this means supporting IE8-11. Note that >>>>> >> strangely >>>>> >> IE8 is the top browser in market shares, way above most of the others… >>>>> >> Not >>>>> >> supporting it ATM would mean “loosing" 20%+ of users. If we have >>>>> >> problems >>>>> >> supporting, say the top 10 browsers, then we can drop to top 6, if >>>>> >> that’s >>>>> >> an issue, then to top 5, etc. ATM we’re supporting 5 browsers and with >>>>> >> IE10-11, this would mean raising to 7 browsers. I propose that we try >>>>> >> it >>>>> >> with the additional 2 browsers (IE10-11) and see if it’s a burden for >>>>> >> us or >>>>> >> it’s manageable. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> So there are 2 questions in here: >>>>> >> >>> - Starting the support for IE10-11: I’m +1 for that >>>>> >> >>> - Deciding if we want to support only one version for each browser >>>>> >> >>> or >>>>> >> instead support the highest browsers in marketshare. I’m +1 for the >>>>> >> marketshare approach. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Thanks >>>>> >> >>> -Vincent >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> >> devs mailing list >>>>> >> >> [email protected] >>>>> >> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > -- >>>>> >> > Thomas Mortagne >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Thomas Mortagne >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> devs mailing list >>>>> >> [email protected] >>>>> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>> >> >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > devs mailing list >>>>> > [email protected] >>>>> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thomas Mortagne >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> devs mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> devs mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Mortagne >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Mortagne > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne -- Thomas Mortagne _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
