On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:52, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> I would really like to still be able to use 1 tool, i.e. currently the > mail > >>> client, to read the mails for either devs or users. Sure, answering to > >>> users should be done on discourse, but I would not like to have to > juggle > >>> yet another service. > >> > >> This does not have much to do with the users mailing list. As I > >> explained to you on IRC you can very well receive all discourse > >> messages by mail if you want which is exactly what I do (I never go to > >> forum.xwiki.org directly, only from some mail I received). > >> > >>> > >>> I understand that what you describe seems like a bug. Did we try to > report > >>> it to discourse? On a quick google I'm unable to find such a behavior > >>> described. We could try reporting it otherwise. > >>> > > > >>> P.S.: I have re-enabled the "Enable mailing list mode" option to the > >>> discourse mailman user. Will watch it to see when/if it gets disabled > again. > > > > I'm not a big fan of getting an close to unreadable duplicate of all > > the discourse mails which is what I get right now. > > That could be fixed easily: > * Once the users list is read only we can remove the prefix in the mail > * We can also configure the list to support HTML > > > We moved to a forum so let's live with it and let people decide if > > they want mails not. If you want mails just enable them in your > > profile. > > Yep > > > Receiving all messages from forum.xwiki.org without having an account > > there is really not a valid use case. > > I agree > > > If we want to store discourse > > messages on markmail then let's give direct markmail mail to discourse > > instead of going trough users mailing list which does not make any > > sense. > > It has the advantages of distributing the archiving: > * markmail > * nabble > * gmane > * xwiki mailman archives > * etc > > I don’t think there’s such a markmail email… > > However, there’s a problem with Discourse as I mentioned (unless Edy found > a solution). > Did not look more, as right now the setting still seems to be on. Thanks, Eduard > > Personally I’m fine with not archiving discourse discussions through > mailing list archives. It makes a bit harder for users to search in one > place but quickly over time it’ll be ok. It’ll also be a bit harder for > stats but I guess we can handle that too… > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Eduard > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:35, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:09, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Guys, I thought we were going to make the users list read-only, not > >>>> disable > >>>>>> it completely. This is now what was discussed, AFAIK. > >>>>> > >>>>> Where did you see that? At least that’s not my proposal. My proposal > is > >>>> to make it read only. > >>>>> > >>>>>> Right now, I haven't received a mail on the users list since 12th of > >>>> June. > >>>>> > >>>>> I haven’t made it readonly yet so I don’t know if it’s normal or not. > >>>> > >>>> FTR just noticed 2 users have contacted me telling me they cannot > post to > >>>> the user list anymore. So someone must have changed something on the > user > >>>> list, but it’s not me :) > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> -Vincent > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> AFAIR, a proposed flow was to receive mails of the discussions and, > if > >>>> you > >>>>>> want to reply, you'd follow the reply link in the mail an open the > >>>>>> discourse browser window. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So, only discourse could be able to publish to the list, all other > list > >>>>>> users would get rejected. > >>>>> > >>>>> The proposal was: > >>>>> * Make the list readonly except for a given discourse user who’d have > >>>> [email protected] as its email so that we can still archive discussions > done > >>>> with discourse on markmail, nabble, etc. > >>>>> > >>>>> However: > >>>>> * I have configured a user having [email protected] as its email and in > >>>> “mailing list mode” but after it sends its first mail, the “mailing > list > >>>> mode” is automatically disabled and I don’t know why. > >>>>> > >>>>> Conclusion so far: > >>>>> * We need to make the list readonly. I’ll do this next week when I > find > >>>> some time. > >>>>> * I don’t know how to fix the issue listed above > >>>>> * In any case I don’t think it’s that important that we don’t archive > >>>> discourse discussions on markmail so I’m fine with dropping this part. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> -Vincent > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> Eduard > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 2 Jun 2017, at 19:50, Marius Dumitru Florea < > >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Vincent Massol < > [email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi devs, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Now that our forum is working well I’d like to propose to make > the > >>>> users > >>>>>>>>> list readonly and move all users to the forum. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It's a small thing but very annoying: is there a way to reply > in-line? > >>>>>>> When > >>>>>>>> the post you want to reply to is long it's pretty hard to keep > >>>> context if > >>>>>>>> you can't reply in-line. The alternative is to copy and quote the > part > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> you are referring to, but it's not that nice. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yes it’s possible and very easy to do: simply select the text you > wish > >>>> to > >>>>>>> reply to and you’ll see the option to reply to it :) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>> -Vincent > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>> Marius > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So the plan I’m proposing is: > >>>>>>>>> * On Monday, make the users list readonly > >>>>>>>>> * Send a last message on it, inviting users to move to the forum > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Note that we’ve already been putting a notice to all messages > sent on > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> users lists inviting users to move to the forum and this has been > >>>>>>> running > >>>>>>>>> for 2 weeks already. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> My feeling is that we need to finalize the move now and prevent > too > >>>> much > >>>>>>>>> scattering of user posts both on the users list and on the forum > and > >>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>>> them all on the forum ASAP. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> WDYT? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>>>> -Vincent > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Thomas Mortagne > > > > > > > > -- > > Thomas Mortagne > >
