On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 23 Jun 2017, at 10:08, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:52, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Mortagne >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I would really like to still be able to use 1 tool, i.e. currently the >>>>>> mail >>>>>> client, to read the mails for either devs or users. Sure, answering to >>>>>> users should be done on discourse, but I would not like to have to juggle >>>>>> yet another service. >>>>> >>>>> This does not have much to do with the users mailing list. As I >>>>> explained to you on IRC you can very well receive all discourse >>>>> messages by mail if you want which is exactly what I do (I never go to >>>>> forum.xwiki.org directly, only from some mail I received). >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I understand that what you describe seems like a bug. Did we try to >>>>>> report >>>>>> it to discourse? On a quick google I'm unable to find such a behavior >>>>>> described. We could try reporting it otherwise. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> P.S.: I have re-enabled the "Enable mailing list mode" option to the >>>>>> discourse mailman user. Will watch it to see when/if it gets disabled >>>>>> again. >>>> >>>> I'm not a big fan of getting an close to unreadable duplicate of all >>>> the discourse mails which is what I get right now. >>> >>> That could be fixed easily: >>> * Once the users list is read only we can remove the prefix in the mail >>> * We can also configure the list to support HTML >>> >>>> We moved to a forum so let's live with it and let people decide if >>>> they want mails not. If you want mails just enable them in your >>>> profile. >>> >>> Yep >>> >>>> Receiving all messages from forum.xwiki.org without having an account >>>> there is really not a valid use case. >>> >>> I agree >>> >>>> If we want to store discourse >>>> messages on markmail then let's give direct markmail mail to discourse >>>> instead of going trough users mailing list which does not make any >>>> sense. >>> >>> It has the advantages of distributing the archiving: >>> * markmail >>> * nabble >>> * gmane >>> * xwiki mailman archives >>> * etc >>> >>> I don’t think there’s such a markmail email… >> >> Then how does markmail received the emails from the mailing list ? > > It has a user subscribed to the list who receives the emails in its inbox > (that’s how gmane works for ex).
So it does have an email (which is registered to the mailing list). > > From http://lucene.markmail.org/docs/faq.xqy: > > “ > How do you load the emails? > > A Java program converts email to XML and loads them into MarkLogic Server. > The program can load emails from an mbox archive or catch new emails as they > come across the wire. We subscribe a user to each archived list in order to > receive the new messages. > " > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> >>> >>> However, there’s a problem with Discourse as I mentioned (unless Edy found >>> a solution). >>> >>> Personally I’m fine with not archiving discourse discussions through >>> mailing list archives. It makes a bit harder for users to search in one >>> place but quickly over time it’ll be ok. It’ll also be a bit harder for >>> stats but I guess we can handle that too… >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Eduard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:35, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:09, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Guys, I thought we were going to make the users list read-only, not >>>>>>> disable >>>>>>>>> it completely. This is now what was discussed, AFAIK. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Where did you see that? At least that’s not my proposal. My proposal is >>>>>>> to make it read only. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Right now, I haven't received a mail on the users list since 12th of >>>>>>> June. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I haven’t made it readonly yet so I don’t know if it’s normal or not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FTR just noticed 2 users have contacted me telling me they cannot post >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> the user list anymore. So someone must have changed something on the >>>>>>> user >>>>>>> list, but it’s not me :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> AFAIR, a proposed flow was to receive mails of the discussions and, if >>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> want to reply, you'd follow the reply link in the mail an open the >>>>>>>>> discourse browser window. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, only discourse could be able to publish to the list, all other >>>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>> users would get rejected. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The proposal was: >>>>>>>> * Make the list readonly except for a given discourse user who’d have >>>>>>> [email protected] as its email so that we can still archive discussions >>>>>>> done >>>>>>> with discourse on markmail, nabble, etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However: >>>>>>>> * I have configured a user having [email protected] as its email and in >>>>>>> “mailing list mode” but after it sends its first mail, the “mailing list >>>>>>> mode” is automatically disabled and I don’t know why. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Conclusion so far: >>>>>>>> * We need to make the list readonly. I’ll do this next week when I find >>>>>>> some time. >>>>>>>> * I don’t know how to fix the issue listed above >>>>>>>> * In any case I don’t think it’s that important that we don’t archive >>>>>>> discourse discussions on markmail so I’m fine with dropping this part. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Eduard >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Jun 2017, at 19:50, Marius Dumitru Florea < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi devs, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now that our forum is working well I’d like to propose to make the >>>>>>> users >>>>>>>>>>>> list readonly and move all users to the forum. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's a small thing but very annoying: is there a way to reply >>>>>>>>>>> in-line? >>>>>>>>>> When >>>>>>>>>>> the post you want to reply to is long it's pretty hard to keep >>>>>>> context if >>>>>>>>>>> you can't reply in-line. The alternative is to copy and quote the >>>>>>>>>>> part >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> you are referring to, but it's not that nice. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes it’s possible and very easy to do: simply select the text you >>>>>>>>>> wish >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> reply to and you’ll see the option to reply to it :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> Marius >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So the plan I’m proposing is: >>>>>>>>>>>> * On Monday, make the users list readonly >>>>>>>>>>>> * Send a last message on it, inviting users to move to the forum >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Note that we’ve already been putting a notice to all messages sent >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> users lists inviting users to move to the forum and this has been >>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>> for 2 weeks already. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My feeling is that we need to finalize the move now and prevent too >>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>> scattering of user posts both on the users list and on the forum >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> them all on the forum ASAP. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent -- Thomas Mortagne
