On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:52, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Mortagne >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I would really like to still be able to use 1 tool, i.e. currently the mail >>>> client, to read the mails for either devs or users. Sure, answering to >>>> users should be done on discourse, but I would not like to have to juggle >>>> yet another service. >>> >>> This does not have much to do with the users mailing list. As I >>> explained to you on IRC you can very well receive all discourse >>> messages by mail if you want which is exactly what I do (I never go to >>> forum.xwiki.org directly, only from some mail I received). >>> >>>> >>>> I understand that what you describe seems like a bug. Did we try to report >>>> it to discourse? On a quick google I'm unable to find such a behavior >>>> described. We could try reporting it otherwise. >>>> >> >>>> P.S.: I have re-enabled the "Enable mailing list mode" option to the >>>> discourse mailman user. Will watch it to see when/if it gets disabled >>>> again. >> >> I'm not a big fan of getting an close to unreadable duplicate of all >> the discourse mails which is what I get right now. > > That could be fixed easily: > * Once the users list is read only we can remove the prefix in the mail > * We can also configure the list to support HTML > >> We moved to a forum so let's live with it and let people decide if >> they want mails not. If you want mails just enable them in your >> profile. > > Yep > >> Receiving all messages from forum.xwiki.org without having an account >> there is really not a valid use case. > > I agree > >> If we want to store discourse >> messages on markmail then let's give direct markmail mail to discourse >> instead of going trough users mailing list which does not make any >> sense. > > It has the advantages of distributing the archiving: > * markmail > * nabble > * gmane > * xwiki mailman archives > * etc > > I don’t think there’s such a markmail email…
Then how does markmail received the emails from the mailing list ? > > However, there’s a problem with Discourse as I mentioned (unless Edy found a > solution). > > Personally I’m fine with not archiving discourse discussions through mailing > list archives. It makes a bit harder for users to search in one place but > quickly over time it’ll be ok. It’ll also be a bit harder for stats but I > guess we can handle that too… > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Eduard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:35, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:09, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Guys, I thought we were going to make the users list read-only, not >>>>> disable >>>>>>> it completely. This is now what was discussed, AFAIK. >>>>>> >>>>>> Where did you see that? At least that’s not my proposal. My proposal is >>>>> to make it read only. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Right now, I haven't received a mail on the users list since 12th of >>>>> June. >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven’t made it readonly yet so I don’t know if it’s normal or not. >>>>> >>>>> FTR just noticed 2 users have contacted me telling me they cannot post to >>>>> the user list anymore. So someone must have changed something on the user >>>>> list, but it’s not me :) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> -Vincent >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> AFAIR, a proposed flow was to receive mails of the discussions and, if >>>>> you >>>>>>> want to reply, you'd follow the reply link in the mail an open the >>>>>>> discourse browser window. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, only discourse could be able to publish to the list, all other list >>>>>>> users would get rejected. >>>>>> >>>>>> The proposal was: >>>>>> * Make the list readonly except for a given discourse user who’d have >>>>> [email protected] as its email so that we can still archive discussions done >>>>> with discourse on markmail, nabble, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> However: >>>>>> * I have configured a user having [email protected] as its email and in >>>>> “mailing list mode” but after it sends its first mail, the “mailing list >>>>> mode” is automatically disabled and I don’t know why. >>>>>> >>>>>> Conclusion so far: >>>>>> * We need to make the list readonly. I’ll do this next week when I find >>>>> some time. >>>>>> * I don’t know how to fix the issue listed above >>>>>> * In any case I don’t think it’s that important that we don’t archive >>>>> discourse discussions on markmail so I’m fine with dropping this part. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Eduard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2 Jun 2017, at 19:50, Marius Dumitru Florea < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi devs, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now that our forum is working well I’d like to propose to make the >>>>> users >>>>>>>>>> list readonly and move all users to the forum. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's a small thing but very annoying: is there a way to reply in-line? >>>>>>>> When >>>>>>>>> the post you want to reply to is long it's pretty hard to keep >>>>> context if >>>>>>>>> you can't reply in-line. The alternative is to copy and quote the part >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> you are referring to, but it's not that nice. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes it’s possible and very easy to do: simply select the text you wish >>>>> to >>>>>>>> reply to and you’ll see the option to reply to it :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Marius >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So the plan I’m proposing is: >>>>>>>>>> * On Monday, make the users list readonly >>>>>>>>>> * Send a last message on it, inviting users to move to the forum >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Note that we’ve already been putting a notice to all messages sent on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> users lists inviting users to move to the forum and this has been >>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>> for 2 weeks already. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My feeling is that we need to finalize the move now and prevent too >>>>> much >>>>>>>>>> scattering of user posts both on the users list and on the forum and >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> them all on the forum ASAP. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Mortagne >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Mortagne > -- Thomas Mortagne
