> On 23 Jun 2017, at 10:49, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 23 Jun 2017, at 10:08, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:52, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Mortagne >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I would really like to still be able to use 1 tool, i.e. currently the >>>>>>> mail >>>>>>> client, to read the mails for either devs or users. Sure, answering to >>>>>>> users should be done on discourse, but I would not like to have to >>>>>>> juggle >>>>>>> yet another service. >>>>>> >>>>>> This does not have much to do with the users mailing list. As I >>>>>> explained to you on IRC you can very well receive all discourse >>>>>> messages by mail if you want which is exactly what I do (I never go to >>>>>> forum.xwiki.org directly, only from some mail I received). >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I understand that what you describe seems like a bug. Did we try to >>>>>>> report >>>>>>> it to discourse? On a quick google I'm unable to find such a behavior >>>>>>> described. We could try reporting it otherwise. >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> P.S.: I have re-enabled the "Enable mailing list mode" option to the >>>>>>> discourse mailman user. Will watch it to see when/if it gets disabled >>>>>>> again. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not a big fan of getting an close to unreadable duplicate of all >>>>> the discourse mails which is what I get right now. >>>> >>>> That could be fixed easily: >>>> * Once the users list is read only we can remove the prefix in the mail >>>> * We can also configure the list to support HTML >>>> >>>>> We moved to a forum so let's live with it and let people decide if >>>>> they want mails not. If you want mails just enable them in your >>>>> profile. >>>> >>>> Yep >>>> >>>>> Receiving all messages from forum.xwiki.org without having an account >>>>> there is really not a valid use case. >>>> >>>> I agree >>>> >>>>> If we want to store discourse >>>>> messages on markmail then let's give direct markmail mail to discourse >>>>> instead of going trough users mailing list which does not make any >>>>> sense. >>>> >>>> It has the advantages of distributing the archiving: >>>> * markmail >>>> * nabble >>>> * gmane >>>> * xwiki mailman archives >>>> * etc >>>> >>>> I don’t think there’s such a markmail email… >>> >>> Then how does markmail received the emails from the mailing list ? >> >> It has a user subscribed to the list who receives the emails in its inbox >> (that’s how gmane works for ex). > > So it does have an email (which is registered to the mailing list).
Yes but you’re most likely not supposed to send direct emails to it. It probably has some protections. I guess you could simulate the same thing by including the list headers in the mails but it looks like a hack. The sender/from is also probably configured to be the users list. Thanks -Vincent > >> >> From http://lucene.markmail.org/docs/faq.xqy: >> >> “ >> How do you load the emails? >> >> A Java program converts email to XML and loads them into MarkLogic Server. >> The program can load emails from an mbox archive or catch new emails as they >> come across the wire. We subscribe a user to each archived list in order to >> receive the new messages. >> " >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >>> >>>> >>>> However, there’s a problem with Discourse as I mentioned (unless Edy found >>>> a solution). >>>> >>>> Personally I’m fine with not archiving discourse discussions through >>>> mailing list archives. It makes a bit harder for users to search in one >>>> place but quickly over time it’ll be ok. It’ll also be a bit harder for >>>> stats but I guess we can handle that too… >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> -Vincent >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Eduard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:35, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:09, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Guys, I thought we were going to make the users list read-only, not >>>>>>>> disable >>>>>>>>>> it completely. This is now what was discussed, AFAIK. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Where did you see that? At least that’s not my proposal. My proposal >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> to make it read only. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Right now, I haven't received a mail on the users list since 12th of >>>>>>>> June. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I haven’t made it readonly yet so I don’t know if it’s normal or not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FTR just noticed 2 users have contacted me telling me they cannot post >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> the user list anymore. So someone must have changed something on the >>>>>>>> user >>>>>>>> list, but it’s not me :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> AFAIR, a proposed flow was to receive mails of the discussions and, >>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> want to reply, you'd follow the reply link in the mail an open the >>>>>>>>>> discourse browser window. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, only discourse could be able to publish to the list, all other >>>>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>>> users would get rejected. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The proposal was: >>>>>>>>> * Make the list readonly except for a given discourse user who’d have >>>>>>>> [email protected] as its email so that we can still archive discussions >>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>> with discourse on markmail, nabble, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> However: >>>>>>>>> * I have configured a user having [email protected] as its email and in >>>>>>>> “mailing list mode” but after it sends its first mail, the “mailing >>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>> mode” is automatically disabled and I don’t know why. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Conclusion so far: >>>>>>>>> * We need to make the list readonly. I’ll do this next week when I >>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>> some time. >>>>>>>>> * I don’t know how to fix the issue listed above >>>>>>>>> * In any case I don’t think it’s that important that we don’t archive >>>>>>>> discourse discussions on markmail so I’m fine with dropping this part. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Eduard >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Jun 2017, at 19:50, Marius Dumitru Florea < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi devs, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that our forum is working well I’d like to propose to make the >>>>>>>> users >>>>>>>>>>>>> list readonly and move all users to the forum. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's a small thing but very annoying: is there a way to reply >>>>>>>>>>>> in-line? >>>>>>>>>>> When >>>>>>>>>>>> the post you want to reply to is long it's pretty hard to keep >>>>>>>> context if >>>>>>>>>>>> you can't reply in-line. The alternative is to copy and quote the >>>>>>>>>>>> part >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> you are referring to, but it's not that nice. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes it’s possible and very easy to do: simply select the text you >>>>>>>>>>> wish >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> reply to and you’ll see the option to reply to it :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>> Marius >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So the plan I’m proposing is: >>>>>>>>>>>>> * On Monday, make the users list readonly >>>>>>>>>>>>> * Send a last message on it, inviting users to move to the forum >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that we’ve already been putting a notice to all messages >>>>>>>>>>>>> sent on >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> users lists inviting users to move to the forum and this has been >>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>>> for 2 weeks already. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My feeling is that we need to finalize the move now and prevent >>>>>>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>> scattering of user posts both on the users list and on the forum >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> them all on the forum ASAP. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne
