> On 23 Jun 2017, at 10:08, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:52, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Mortagne >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I would really like to still be able to use 1 tool, i.e. currently the >>>>> mail >>>>> client, to read the mails for either devs or users. Sure, answering to >>>>> users should be done on discourse, but I would not like to have to juggle >>>>> yet another service. >>>> >>>> This does not have much to do with the users mailing list. As I >>>> explained to you on IRC you can very well receive all discourse >>>> messages by mail if you want which is exactly what I do (I never go to >>>> forum.xwiki.org directly, only from some mail I received). >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I understand that what you describe seems like a bug. Did we try to report >>>>> it to discourse? On a quick google I'm unable to find such a behavior >>>>> described. We could try reporting it otherwise. >>>>> >>> >>>>> P.S.: I have re-enabled the "Enable mailing list mode" option to the >>>>> discourse mailman user. Will watch it to see when/if it gets disabled >>>>> again. >>> >>> I'm not a big fan of getting an close to unreadable duplicate of all >>> the discourse mails which is what I get right now. >> >> That could be fixed easily: >> * Once the users list is read only we can remove the prefix in the mail >> * We can also configure the list to support HTML >> >>> We moved to a forum so let's live with it and let people decide if >>> they want mails not. If you want mails just enable them in your >>> profile. >> >> Yep >> >>> Receiving all messages from forum.xwiki.org without having an account >>> there is really not a valid use case. >> >> I agree >> >>> If we want to store discourse >>> messages on markmail then let's give direct markmail mail to discourse >>> instead of going trough users mailing list which does not make any >>> sense. >> >> It has the advantages of distributing the archiving: >> * markmail >> * nabble >> * gmane >> * xwiki mailman archives >> * etc >> >> I don’t think there’s such a markmail email… > > Then how does markmail received the emails from the mailing list ?
It has a user subscribed to the list who receives the emails in its inbox (that’s how gmane works for ex). From http://lucene.markmail.org/docs/faq.xqy: “ How do you load the emails? A Java program converts email to XML and loads them into MarkLogic Server. The program can load emails from an mbox archive or catch new emails as they come across the wire. We subscribe a user to each archived list in order to receive the new messages. " Thanks -Vincent > >> >> However, there’s a problem with Discourse as I mentioned (unless Edy found a >> solution). >> >> Personally I’m fine with not archiving discourse discussions through mailing >> list archives. It makes a bit harder for users to search in one place but >> quickly over time it’ll be ok. It’ll also be a bit harder for stats but I >> guess we can handle that too… >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Eduard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:35, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:09, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Guys, I thought we were going to make the users list read-only, not >>>>>> disable >>>>>>>> it completely. This is now what was discussed, AFAIK. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Where did you see that? At least that’s not my proposal. My proposal is >>>>>> to make it read only. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Right now, I haven't received a mail on the users list since 12th of >>>>>> June. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I haven’t made it readonly yet so I don’t know if it’s normal or not. >>>>>> >>>>>> FTR just noticed 2 users have contacted me telling me they cannot post to >>>>>> the user list anymore. So someone must have changed something on the user >>>>>> list, but it’s not me :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AFAIR, a proposed flow was to receive mails of the discussions and, if >>>>>> you >>>>>>>> want to reply, you'd follow the reply link in the mail an open the >>>>>>>> discourse browser window. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, only discourse could be able to publish to the list, all other list >>>>>>>> users would get rejected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The proposal was: >>>>>>> * Make the list readonly except for a given discourse user who’d have >>>>>> [email protected] as its email so that we can still archive discussions done >>>>>> with discourse on markmail, nabble, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However: >>>>>>> * I have configured a user having [email protected] as its email and in >>>>>> “mailing list mode” but after it sends its first mail, the “mailing list >>>>>> mode” is automatically disabled and I don’t know why. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Conclusion so far: >>>>>>> * We need to make the list readonly. I’ll do this next week when I find >>>>>> some time. >>>>>>> * I don’t know how to fix the issue listed above >>>>>>> * In any case I don’t think it’s that important that we don’t archive >>>>>> discourse discussions on markmail so I’m fine with dropping this part. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Eduard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2 Jun 2017, at 19:50, Marius Dumitru Florea < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi devs, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now that our forum is working well I’d like to propose to make the >>>>>> users >>>>>>>>>>> list readonly and move all users to the forum. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's a small thing but very annoying: is there a way to reply >>>>>>>>>> in-line? >>>>>>>>> When >>>>>>>>>> the post you want to reply to is long it's pretty hard to keep >>>>>> context if >>>>>>>>>> you can't reply in-line. The alternative is to copy and quote the >>>>>>>>>> part >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> you are referring to, but it's not that nice. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes it’s possible and very easy to do: simply select the text you wish >>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> reply to and you’ll see the option to reply to it :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Marius >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So the plan I’m proposing is: >>>>>>>>>>> * On Monday, make the users list readonly >>>>>>>>>>> * Send a last message on it, inviting users to move to the forum >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Note that we’ve already been putting a notice to all messages sent >>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> users lists inviting users to move to the forum and this has been >>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>> for 2 weeks already. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My feeling is that we need to finalize the move now and prevent too >>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>> scattering of user posts both on the users list and on the forum and >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> them all on the forum ASAP. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent
