John,

Look at your continued choice of language! You just do not have a clue 
about leadership or you would never talk like that. You are 
intentionally polarizing and increase, rather than decrease opposition 
to what you think you are promoting.

Be careful when you start to make claims of what others may or may not 
have experienced, since unless you know the person well, you don't have 
that knowledge. Many of us, myself included, have had many opportunities 
to lead many efforts over our lifetime, both work related and volunteer. 
As a mostly retired person I continue to work with volunteer efforts, 
amateur radio included.

I co-moderate a group of well over 1000 fellow farmers and you will find 
widely different views. Sometimes we have to agree to disagree, but we 
don't have to get personal as you have repeatedly done with putting 
others down as less experienced, less knowledgeable, than you claim to 
be. Just because someone supports the status quo does not mean that they 
are necessarily wrong. Just because someone wants change doesn't 
necessarily mean its the right thing to do.

As President of our county amateur radio organization, I try and work 
with the strengths of our members and promote our group as welcoming to 
new members, plus had the opportunity to set up the first VE team many 
years ago and teach many amateur radio classes in several communities 
since I have been working in such capacities for decades. One of our 
most difficult tasks a few decades ago was how to get disparate amateur 
radio clubs and groups together for the common good. It took several 
years, but enough of the leaders did what was right for amateur radio 
and built a very strong bond with new and old members.

I like a good debate and I promote sifting and winnowing as much as 
anyone (probably more). But only if it is reasoned and respectful and 
not stooping down to name calling as you do. In fact, it is shown time 
and again that those who name call, do so because they have no real 
argument and are frustrated that they are losing the argument. And 
people intuitively know that and those name callers are eventually 
marginalized to the fringes where they belong.

Like many (most?) hams, I am skeptical that having extreme wide 
bandwidth modes are a good idea on any of our HF and lower VHF bands. On 
the other hand, in our area, 6 meters is lightly used even though the 
band plan would make it difficult to incorporate ultra wide bandwidth 
modes without some reallocation to the plan.

Because 6 meters can open up to very long distances, including 
worldwide, one has to be very careful about conflicting with other types 
of activity. We can not use frequencies that are set aside for weak 
signal, DXing, radio control, etc. The 6 meter repeaters take up a large 
chunk of the band. The one area that looks the most promising would be 
50.3 to 50.8 with some accomodation to digital packet at 50.62. We used 
to have a number of 6 meter digital links here in the state but I think 
most of those have been discontinued. But we can not just think of our 
area since we could cause serious interference to other areas and even 
regions if the bands open with Es and F layer propagation.

Rick, KV9U







John Champa wrote:
> Rick,
>
> Unless you have had the "opportunity" to lead such an effort, it
> is you who should "knock it off".  Obviously you have never stepped
> into the heat.  Lack the courage to lead, Rick?  So you too are writing from
> a non-experienced position, non-leadership situation, just like my old 
> friend Bruce?
>
> Putting up with nit picking, barracks lawyers like Bruce and his ilk of 
> ill-informed
> narrow-minded Hams for four years is what made me bitter about many Hams.
> I used to be a nice guy too! But I love this avocation.  It's  our frequent 
> refusal as
> a group to adapt and  our anti-progressive head in the sand approach, almost
> (almost! HI) makes our dinosaurs' fate deserving.
>
> See how quickly Bruce labels those who are trying to look ahead as 
> "elitists"!
> He's afraid of change. And, I can't take his fear away.  And, if he won't 
> read
> and try to comprehend, well, I have only so much time to try to help him 
> catch
> up.  I have my own keeping up ti take care of, ya know (HI) ?
>
> Like they say down here in  TX, you can lead a horse to water, but...
>
> Thanks for the feedback, Rick.
>
> Vy 73,
> John - K8OCL
>   

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