Many religions teach "one true god" in some way, shape, or form. Not many
teach that you will be rewarded by that one true god for murdering
non-believers. This mentality, while perhaps reminiscent of the Christian
crusades, is now outdated.
Most of Islam is reformed to the greater extent. What we have here is a
Manson, Koresh, Heaven's Gate type of character who has taken advantage of a
people battered in spirit and economically devistated.
Even Taliban itself has Bin Lauden on house arrest and is begging us not to
destroy them.
Moost likely, we'll spare the citizens and install our own leadership in
Afghanistan. It seems to be what they need. They can't even feed people
there. Taliban probably takes the mullions of dollars we give them and use
it for their holy war.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Air Travel in the Aftermath of the Terrorist Attack
The unfortunate reality is that there is no reconciling of differences
possible with the Islamic people. Their religion teaches them that they
are the only ones who believe in a true god and anyone unwilling to convert
to their beliefs must be destroyed.
Much of the problems we now have are a direct result of our unwillingness
to take the radical actions necessary at times like this. The politically
correct response is always diplomacy, but as the happenings of this week
have proven again, diplomacy does not work when the other side will not
bend in their beliefs and goals.
Thank you,
Ronald L. Zimmerman
Project Manager
Swiss Valley Farms, Co. http://www.swissvalley.com
"The Good for You Company"
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Please respond
to "Stephen
O'Shaughnessy"
Why don't we deal with the people who are our
enemies? "Love your enemies..." to quote a wise tome.
I've heard all kinds of rhetoric about revenge, retaliation,
and punishment. All kinds of talk about beefing up security
and the resulting loss of civil freedoms. But nothing about
dealing with the real, core, problem of the differences
between two peoples.
They are not wild, godless, savages. They are dedicated, loving
intelligent human beings. They are as dedicated to their
cause as we are to ours. Their attack did not come out of the
blue, without provocation. We attacked first, in 1998, with
a cruise missile attack on them. Sure, it goes 'round and
'round, but we are not innocent here.
The problem is not airport security or the lack of it. The problem
is not hamstrung intelligence organizations. The problem is
a difference in two peoples and our refusal to accept them
as brothers and sisters under one God.
Nearly every American today, from school children to the elderly,
can cite the details of this weeks tragedy. Everyone is talking
about security and now starting to point fingers. Yet no one
is talking about the perpetrators as people. No one is talking
about their religion and no one is talking about our differences.
And that is the problem. Reconciling those differences is the solution.
Steve O
Columbia City, Indiana
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mats Jansson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:36 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Air Travel in the Aftermath of the Terrorist Attack
>
>
> Increased pre-boarding security is not the answer. These
> guys used knifes.
> How many other ways can skilled killers use to take control
> of people around
> them? It seems to me some other alternatives warrant
> consideration, based
> on the assumption that one cannot prevent dangerous people
> from boarding an
> airplane:
>
> -Lock the pilots into the cockpit upon take-off, and have
> absolutely no
> communication, or no way to enter the cockpit. Landing
> safely is job #1.
>
> -Security guards on every flight might deter to some extent.
> Give them a
> gas mask and the ability to set off tear gas (as long as it
> can be kept out
> of the cock pit), and maybe their chances are greater.
>
> I don't know, one can probably think of many better ways, but
> I think we
> have to realize that increased pre-boarding security is
> nothing more than a
> charade to show people that "we're doing something about it".
>
> Just one man's opinion.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Moeller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:44 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Air Travel in the Aftermath of the Terrorist Attack
>
>
> Well said, Rachel! (as always)
>
> I completely agree. I also wish to point out that this thread
> exemplifies
> one of the goals of the terrorist: Americans questioning
> their safety and
> reacting.
>
> It's OK to be afraid, and it's OK to question, but our quality of life
> through Freedom must not be diminished AT ALL. Increased
> security measures
> probably should and will be instituted, but delays and
> inconveniences need
> not be part of them in the current state of technology. And,
> above all, we
> must realize that no amount of planning and securing will make us
> invincible.
>
> The key is in the response. First, we must continue our way
> of life in
> spite of our fear. To opt out of flying will show that the act was
> effective. What about next time when 10 city buses are hi-jacked and
> exploded? Or when 20 rifleman on different overpasses across
> the country
> start shooting up morning commuters? Will you give up the
> bus, and the car?
> And finally not leave your home at all? I apologize for the graphic
> examples, but in my years as a Team Leader in the US Army Bomb Squad I
> learned that the only effective way to deal with a terrorist, is to
> eliminate the terrorist. All else is just reaction.
>
> Which brings me to my second point about response: the
> criminals must be
> found and dealt with by whatever means available. Lobbing
> cruise missiles
> into Afghanistan is not going to cut it this time. We can
> only truly win if
> we demonstrate that attacks upon the U.S. and her allies will
> result in
> swift, deadly punishment, and that the act will have no
> effect on our way of
> life to begin with.
>
> Thanks for listening!
>
> Eric Moeller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rachel Foerster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:08 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Air Travel in the Aftermath of the Terrorist Attack
>
>
> To be afraid is to let the barbarians win!
> Yes, I will travel this week, the next, and whenever my
> clients need me to
> be there to help.
> No, my thoughts on domestic travel have not changed....it was, is, and
> continues to be far safer than our daily automobile commute.
>
> Will the routine of the past for air travel change? Of
> course! It should! We
> will adjust accordingly - but never, never, never give up our
> freedom as
> citizens of a democratic country and a free world!
>
> Rachel Foerster
> Principal
> Rachel Foerster & Associates, Ltd.
> Professionals in EDI & Electronic Commerce
> 39432 North Avenue
> Beach Park, IL 60099
> Phone: 847-872-8070
> Fax: 847-872-6860
> http://www.rfa-edi.com <http://www.rfa-edi.com>
>
>
>
> My shock and disbelief is slowly turning to anger over this most
> tragic event and the actions to follow. Our lives in America
> and possibly the world have changed forever.
>
> My EDI consulting involves constant travel around the U.S. Before
> yesterday, I never gave a thought to hijacking as these were
> always targeted for non-domestic flights. Not anymore. For
> those of us who travel on airplanes for business, I ask you to
> share your thoughts on this subject.
>
> Are you afraid?
> Will you travel this week or next?
> Has this event changed your thoughts on domestic travel?
>
> Lee LoFrisco
>
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