Agreed Ken. In fact, I'm not at all convinced that products in the USA or Canada require 3rd party safety "blessing" from an agency. The new approach directive in the EU for product safety appears to work perfectly well without any agency involvement. I'd like to see that approach adopted here, but alas with all the litigation on this side of the "pond", it will likely never happen. On the other hand, CSA and UL do employ a lot of good people. _____________________________________________________________________________________
Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Renewable Energies Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: 11/14/2011 03:23 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer Well, UL is a company, not the gov't. Agree the gov't has no business certifying products, but that is water under the bridge at this point. If UL, as a private company, feels that a significant fraction of the potential customer base could harm themselves using this product, then they have every right to refrain from certifying it. That shouldn't mean that it isn't available on the market, just that UL hasn't blessed it. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: Derek Walton <lfresea...@aol.com> > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:04:57 -0600 > To: dougp01 <doug...@gmail.com> > Cc: Pete Perkins <peperkin...@cs.com>, <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer > > Hi Doug, > > I guess I find this nonsense. ANYTHING abused looks dangerous. > > More examples of Nanny state control. > > Cheers, > > Derek. > > On 11/14/2011 4:13 PM, dougp01 wrote: >> Never heard of this in Europe, for N.A. look at this video. >> >> http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/offerings/perspectives/consumer/productsaf >> ety/turkeys/ >> >> >> >> doug powell >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Pete Perkins >> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:00 PM >> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG >> Subject: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer >> >> PSNet, >> >> Looking for input on requirements for CE marking of a commercial >> deep-fat fryer. >> >> What's the latest? >> >> :>) br, Pete >> >> Peter E Perkins, PE >> Principal Product Safety Engineer >> PO Box 23427 >> Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 >> >> 503/452-1201 fone/fax >> p.perk...@ieee.org >> >> >> - >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society >> emc-pstc discussion list. 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