Ralph, no real argument to the benefit except especially the safety folks won't even go into court as an expert witness on your behalf. But the benefit of the third party is more in how deep they get into your wallet. is the "reasonable manufacturer" doctrine in Tort law. It's just what it sounds like. Did you meet the minimums of what a reasonable manufacturer would do? E.g. Did you seek a second opinion about the safety or the product? If it is common in the industry to do so and you don't "bother" then you don't' meet the doctrine and the monetary damages are going to escalate dramatically because you've shown a disregard for you customers safety. - This is all paraphrased and cut down from a seminar on Tort law as it applies to safety many years ago.
So the value is a ha' penny versus a pound sterling. From: ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com [mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:51 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer I don't think UL would be sued; the manufacturer is ultimately liable. The is little or no benefit of 3rd party certification of a product under Tort law. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Renewable Energies Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: John Woodgate <j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: 11/14/2011 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer ________________________________ In message <4ec19e99.7060...@aol.com>, dated Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Derek Walton <lfresea...@aol.com> writes: >I guess I find this nonsense. ANYTHING abused looks dangerous. > >More examples of Nanny state control. Yes, but if they didn't do it, UL would be sued for $100000000000000 by everyone who sets their fryer on fyer. That may happen anyway because the person concerned can't read English. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK Some people who are peeling the finch of the financial crisis are thinking of biting a rook. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@radiusnorth.net> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com> ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ______________________________________________________________________ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@radiusnorth.net<mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org<mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com<mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@radiusnorth.net> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
