Yes, the old russian rockets are BETTER than anything the US produced, even
today.  They are closed cycle.  There was a very good documentary on them
not too long ago I watched but can't find it now.

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Home <hjjohn...@sasktel.net> wrote:

> As I understand it, those are (basically) the same engines that takes the
> Soyuz rockets up still.. Truth be told (I'm no expert but have seen some
> articles to this effect) the Russian rocket engines where much superior to
> their American counterparts such that since Russia put some of there
> political views up on the shelf, these motors have been imported into the
> U.S. in fairly good numbers.
>
> Just 'cause it's old doesn't mean it won't work. Might not be as efficient
> as new technology but if you factor in the cost of acquiring(creating) new
> technology, sometimes the old stuff is still more efficient.
>
> Fwiw
> Jarrett Johnson
>
> All grammar and spelling errors, compliments of my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 29, 2014, at 18:54, Dave Cole <linuxcncro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/29/2014 5:20 PM, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote:
> >> 2014-10-29 18:34 GMT-03:00 Dave Cole <linuxcncro...@gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> I think that Nasa should resurrect the Constellation program.   Nasa
> >>> received most of the tooling required to make the Ares rocket.  They
> >>> even installed and tested the tooling fixtures.
> >>>
> >>> Having to pay Russia to launch our crap into low earth orbit is an
> >>> embarrassment.
> >>>
> >> And imagine how far we would be now if they hadn't cancelled the Apollo
> >> program.
> >>
> >> I've been reading something about the VASIMR motors to reduce the
> >> travelling speed and they would be testing the first prototypes sometime
> >> near 2013/2014, but I don't know if that happened or not. Reading
> wikipedia
> >> it says that with this motors the duration of a possible trip to Mars
> would
> >> be of 39 days. Pretty impressive.
> >>
> >> Anyway, the Plasma motors only would be useful in space, we still need
> the
> >> rockets to escape from the earht's gravity, unless they come with a
> better
> >> system.
> >
> > Funny that you mention Apollo...
> >
> > I just heard that the engines on the Antares rocket that blew up last
> > night was using 40 year old refurbished Russian rocket engines..  (no
> > joke - Apollo vintage)
> >
> > A quick search verified that.   They were originally made in the 1970's!
> >
> http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/oct/29/russian-rocket-crash-virginia
> >
> > I'm always looking for a bargain, but why would anyone in their right
> > mind use refurbished Russian Rocket engines from the 1970's for a launch
> > in 2014 ??
> >
> > Wouldn't that be a RED FLAG for most engineers??
> >
> > What were they thinking??  :-(
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
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