Can you backdrive the impact wrench?  Keep it engaged?

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 11:45 AM John Dammeyer <jo...@autoartisans.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Roland,
> What I've found is that once the socket has reached that midpoint between
> flats it sticks there.  Rounding off the edges of the inside didn't fix it
> but did help.  I can even shut off the air so I can pull it down slowly
> against the return spring pressure and turn the spindle carefully by hand
> and I can still make it stick in that one area.
>
> The problem with turning the spindle is that the socket spins freely in
> the wrench so even the slightest bit of friction once it touches the nut
> causes it to turn with the spindle.  I tried 1RPM all the way up to 30RPM
> and it didn't matter.  The rounding of the nut and socket means 50% of the
> time it works perfectly and the other 50% sticks.
>
> Also if my set screw is too loose then on the way up the socket pulls
> out.  And the set screw loosens after about 10 cylces.  Hardened metal
> against hardened metal doesn't work well.  A softer screw didn't work much
> better.  Way to much rattle on the socket/driver connection.
>
> I never thought I'd have this much trouble...
> John
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roland Jollivet [mailto:roland.jolli...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: November-22-21 4:01 AM
> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> > Subject: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.
> >
> > You probably don't need more than 1 bar on the lifting air cylinder, up
> or
> > down. No need to force it down.
> > So let it down, then if you can give the spindle a 1RPM burst to let the
> > nut slip over.
> > And have a switch on driver Z to know if it's down over the nut.
> >
> > You could also stop the spindle and descend the driver as the spindle
> > reaches it's last 5RPM? before stopping.
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 10:03, John Dammeyer <jo...@autoartisans.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > From: dave engvall [mailto:dengv...@charter.net]
> > > > On 11/21/21 9:24 PM, John Dammeyer wrote:
> > > > > Is there a way to tell the spindle to turn until it finds the index
> > > and stop so it's always stopping at the exact same spot?  Like
> > > > decelerate to 0.5 rev per second  (30 RPM) or slower and stop when
> the
> > > index happens?  With either an M5 or the button on the
> > > > user interface?
> > > > >
> > > > If I were? doing that? today I would use 3 sensors. IOW a guard
> sensor
> > > > either side of index, rotate quickly to detection of guard slow way
> down
> > > > and search for the central sensor. How you know which is the shortest
> > > > path is left as an exercise for the "student". ;-) Or maybe one
> simply
> > > > defaults to searching in one direction.
> > > >
> > > > If you don't need orientation then a stepper motor and a gear would
> seem
> > > > to be as simplistic as one can get.
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > >
> > > One still has to line up the socket to the hex head of the drawbar.
> And
> > > since it can be at any position relative to the spindle the sensing
> has to
> > > happen against the hex head.  Rotate spindle until hex head is at a
> known
> > > position.  Then rotate socket from and indexed position until it
> matches
> > > the socket and then send it down.  This could all happen in under
> 100mS and
> > > be almost transparent to an end user.
> > >
> > > There are times where I wish I had BMT-30 cone type tooling or just
> only
> > > TTS.
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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