As Mike suggested and I've been saying... the meetings need to be exactly
12 hours apart, not 8 hours. So if Tuesday was UTC+8, Thursday would be
UTC+20... then the next Tuesday UTC+20 and the next Thursday UTC+8, etc...

On Mon, May 14, 2018, 9:42 AM Marcel Hollerbach <m...@bu5hm4n.de> wrote:

> Okay, then lets say that we meet at the first full week and every third
> full week, always on Tuesday and Thursday.
> On the first week Tuesday is at UTC + 8 and Thursday at UTC + 16.
> In the third week Tuesday is at UTC + 16 and Thursday at UTC + 8.
> (This month however is a exception and we start this scheudule first
> fully in June.)
>
> Meetings are captured with a IRC logger.
> A few people can write the meeting minutes into http://collabedit.com.
>
> After the meetings the log is uploaded to the wiki same as the contents
> that have been captured in collabedit document.
> After that the wiki link can be sent to the mailinglists as reminder of
> what happened.
>
> How does that sound to you?
>
> Greetings,
>     bu5hm4n
>
>
> On 05/11/2018 03:39 PM, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > This is actually similar to how many projects organize their meetings.
> > Having two separate meetings at "opposite" times allows everyone to have
> a
> > choice of meetings to attend with at least one of the times being optimal
> > for any given location. Using proper recording methods, everyone is then
> > able to see what happened at each meeting. In the meeting procedures page
> > (which should exist if it doesn't already), it should be documented that
> > the meeting notes should be sent to all related channels/lists after each
> > meeting to promote community involvement.
> >
> > I think that if everyone is okay with at least one of these times then
> this
> > is fine, though it should be noted that this time schedule makes it
> awkward
> > for any particular region to attend both meetings; traditionally the time
> > rotates exactly 12 hours so that at least one timezone is capable of
> > attending every meeting.
> >
> > The only adjustment I would make is that the meetings should be moved to
> > weekly in this case. If the meeting times rotate and are set for every
> two
> > weeks, this means that each group meets only once a month--hardly as
> useful.
> >
> > On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:08 PM Stephen Houston <smhousto...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I'm well aware the other time slot allows for North Americans but it
> will
> >> then cut out anyone else.  That's the point I was making - there is
> going
> >> to be little crossover. between the two groups of people meeting - and I
> >> don't think that is a good thing.
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 2:06 PM Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 10 May 2018 14:55:07 +0000 Stephen Houston <
> >> smhousto...@gmail.com>
> >>> said:
> >>>
> >>>> This was the best time you could come up with for the meetings?  4-6AM
> >>> EST,
> >>>> 3-5AM CDT, 2-4AM MST, and 1-3AM PDT?  That pretty much means that no
> >>> North
> >>>> Americans are going to be present at all... at least with the time we
> >>> were
> >>>> using for the meetings previously, it is reasonable enough for North
> >>>> Americans, Europeans, and Asians to all attend whether it be 8AM on
> the
> >>>> west coast of US or 11PM for like indefini in Japan... sure that is
> >>> easier
> >>>> for US... but then you just flip that time for the second meeting and
> >> its
> >>>> still reasonable enough for all to attend but easier for indefini in
> >>>> Japan.  This is what I was expecting.  Not a time that is basically
> >> going
> >>>> to mean: US gets to meet the first meeting of the month with eachother
> >>> and
> >>>> then Eastern European/Asians get to meet with eachother the second
> >>> meeting
> >>>> of the month and there is no crossover (minus Western Europeans that
> >> can
> >>>> make both).  I foresee that as being bad and not really working out.
> >>>
> >>> ummm you need to look at the other time slot too. i don't think we're
> >>> going to
> >>> do 2hrs each...
> >>>
> >>> https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?pl=1&lid=100,8,5,1850147&h=100
> >>>
> >>> so one is 1am/4am PDT/EDT an the other is 9am/12pm PDT/EDT. (CDT being
> in
> >>> between). and note on the other end with Japan (and Korea etc.) time.
> >>>
> >>> :) so they keep flipping between 2 times to try and let everyone attend
> >> at
> >>> least once a month.
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:58 AM Marcel Hollerbach <m...@bu5hm4n.de>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 05/10/2018 09:22 AM, Simon Lees wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/05/18 13:20, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 09 May 2018 17:17:14 +0000 Mike Blumenkrantz
> >>>>>>> <michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com> said:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> While I can see some summarization of meeting items on the
> >>> relatively
> >>>>>>>> obscure https://phab.enlightenment.org/V33, which is
> >> inaccessible
> >>> to
> >>>>> anyone
> >>>>>>>> who has not been avidly following the mailing list archives--ie.
> >>> will
> >>>>> never
> >>>>>>>> be visible to any new community members--this is not quite the
> >>> same as
> >>>>>>>> recording the minutes of a meeting.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> see the ticket that this was all about. it's there in the ticket
> >>> itself
> >>>>> in the
> >>>>>>> body. that is where the conversation was happening so it's
> >>> summarized
> >>>>> there.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6740
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> i don't see why etherpad is needed. we have plenty of tools on
> >> phab
> >>> for
> >>>>> this.
> >>>>>>> no one disagreed with a wiki page.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> you were talking as if people need to have it explained to them
> >> what
> >>>>> minutes
> >>>>>>> are:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Typically for meetings where items of substance are discussed,
> >> the
> >>>>> minutes
> >>>>>>> will be recorded for posterity:
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minutes";
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> marcel already said:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "But i agree in general that there should be a wiki page for
> >>> monitoring
> >>>>>>> contents of the meetings and some them up."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ... so again. i see no reason why minutes will not be taken and
> >>>>> recorded.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What I would like to see and I think what Mike is getting at is a
> >>> wiki
> >>>>>> page either on the main wiki or somewhere on phab, which atleast
> >>> lists
> >>>>>> all the links to the meeting summaries rather then just having
> >>> obscure
> >>>>>> phab links to them. Even better would be if all the summaries were
> >>> also
> >>>>>> just in one page so you didn't have to click links to follow the
> >>>>>> previous meetings.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yep, thats what i want to do on this page and the linked pages
> >>>>> https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/meetings/ :).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
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