To be clear, my original point regarding a 12 hour difference between the meetings assumes that the selected times are viable for everyone and that it engages the maximum number of contributors: it's easier to remember a meeting time if it's always at the same numerical hour.
In the case where a 12 hour flip is not ideal for this then there is no sense in forcing it. On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:39 PM Marcel Hollerbach <m...@bu5hm4n.de> wrote: > I dont have strong feelings if its either shifted by 12h or by something > else. Just reminding you, UTC + 20 means that there will likely be noone > else part of the meeting beside US people. I dont want to propose that > some timezone needs to be active in both meethings, but it could > definitly help to have a few voices in both meetings, so things dont go > that orthogonal. > > Greetings, > bu5hm4n > > On 05/14/2018 06:12 PM, Stephen Houston wrote: > > As Mike suggested and I've been saying... the meetings need to be exactly > > 12 hours apart, not 8 hours. So if Tuesday was UTC+8, Thursday would be > > UTC+20... then the next Tuesday UTC+20 and the next Thursday UTC+8, > etc... > > > > On Mon, May 14, 2018, 9:42 AM Marcel Hollerbach <m...@bu5hm4n.de> wrote: > > > >> Okay, then lets say that we meet at the first full week and every third > >> full week, always on Tuesday and Thursday. > >> On the first week Tuesday is at UTC + 8 and Thursday at UTC + 16. > >> In the third week Tuesday is at UTC + 16 and Thursday at UTC + 8. > >> (This month however is a exception and we start this scheudule first > >> fully in June.) > >> > >> Meetings are captured with a IRC logger. > >> A few people can write the meeting minutes into http://collabedit.com. > >> > >> After the meetings the log is uploaded to the wiki same as the contents > >> that have been captured in collabedit document. > >> After that the wiki link can be sent to the mailinglists as reminder of > >> what happened. > >> > >> How does that sound to you? > >> > >> Greetings, > >> bu5hm4n > >> > >> > >> On 05/11/2018 03:39 PM, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote: > >>> This is actually similar to how many projects organize their meetings. > >>> Having two separate meetings at "opposite" times allows everyone to > have > >> a > >>> choice of meetings to attend with at least one of the times being > optimal > >>> for any given location. Using proper recording methods, everyone is > then > >>> able to see what happened at each meeting. In the meeting procedures > page > >>> (which should exist if it doesn't already), it should be documented > that > >>> the meeting notes should be sent to all related channels/lists after > each > >>> meeting to promote community involvement. > >>> > >>> I think that if everyone is okay with at least one of these times then > >> this > >>> is fine, though it should be noted that this time schedule makes it > >> awkward > >>> for any particular region to attend both meetings; traditionally the > time > >>> rotates exactly 12 hours so that at least one timezone is capable of > >>> attending every meeting. > >>> > >>> The only adjustment I would make is that the meetings should be moved > to > >>> weekly in this case. If the meeting times rotate and are set for every > >> two > >>> weeks, this means that each group meets only once a month--hardly as > >> useful. > >>> > >>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:08 PM Stephen Houston <smhousto...@gmail.com > > > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I'm well aware the other time slot allows for North Americans but it > >> will > >>>> then cut out anyone else. That's the point I was making - there is > >> going > >>>> to be little crossover. between the two groups of people meeting - > and I > >>>> don't think that is a good thing. > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 2:06 PM Carsten Haitzler < > ras...@rasterman.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Thu, 10 May 2018 14:55:07 +0000 Stephen Houston < > >>>> smhousto...@gmail.com> > >>>>> said: > >>>>> > >>>>>> This was the best time you could come up with for the meetings? > 4-6AM > >>>>> EST, > >>>>>> 3-5AM CDT, 2-4AM MST, and 1-3AM PDT? That pretty much means that no > >>>>> North > >>>>>> Americans are going to be present at all... at least with the time > we > >>>>> were > >>>>>> using for the meetings previously, it is reasonable enough for North > >>>>>> Americans, Europeans, and Asians to all attend whether it be 8AM on > >> the > >>>>>> west coast of US or 11PM for like indefini in Japan... sure that is > >>>>> easier > >>>>>> for US... but then you just flip that time for the second meeting > and > >>>> its > >>>>>> still reasonable enough for all to attend but easier for indefini in > >>>>>> Japan. This is what I was expecting. Not a time that is basically > >>>> going > >>>>>> to mean: US gets to meet the first meeting of the month with > eachother > >>>>> and > >>>>>> then Eastern European/Asians get to meet with eachother the second > >>>>> meeting > >>>>>> of the month and there is no crossover (minus Western Europeans that > >>>> can > >>>>>> make both). I foresee that as being bad and not really working out. > >>>>> > >>>>> ummm you need to look at the other time slot too. i don't think we're > >>>>> going to > >>>>> do 2hrs each... > >>>>> > >>>>> https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?pl=1&lid=100,8,5,1850147&h=100 > >>>>> > >>>>> so one is 1am/4am PDT/EDT an the other is 9am/12pm PDT/EDT. (CDT > being > >> in > >>>>> between). and note on the other end with Japan (and Korea etc.) time. > >>>>> > >>>>> :) so they keep flipping between 2 times to try and let everyone > attend > >>>> at > >>>>> least once a month. > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:58 AM Marcel Hollerbach <m...@bu5hm4n.de> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 05/10/2018 09:22 AM, Simon Lees wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 10/05/18 13:20, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 May 2018 17:17:14 +0000 Mike Blumenkrantz > >>>>>>>>> <michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com> said: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> While I can see some summarization of meeting items on the > >>>>> relatively > >>>>>>>>>> obscure https://phab.enlightenment.org/V33, which is > >>>> inaccessible > >>>>> to > >>>>>>> anyone > >>>>>>>>>> who has not been avidly following the mailing list archives--ie. > >>>>> will > >>>>>>> never > >>>>>>>>>> be visible to any new community members--this is not quite the > >>>>> same as > >>>>>>>>>> recording the minutes of a meeting. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> see the ticket that this was all about. it's there in the ticket > >>>>> itself > >>>>>>> in the > >>>>>>>>> body. that is where the conversation was happening so it's > >>>>> summarized > >>>>>>> there. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6740 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> i don't see why etherpad is needed. we have plenty of tools on > >>>> phab > >>>>> for > >>>>>>> this. > >>>>>>>>> no one disagreed with a wiki page. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> you were talking as if people need to have it explained to them > >>>> what > >>>>>>> minutes > >>>>>>>>> are: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> "Typically for meetings where items of substance are discussed, > >>>> the > >>>>>>> minutes > >>>>>>>>> will be recorded for posterity: > >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minutes"; > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> marcel already said: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> "But i agree in general that there should be a wiki page for > >>>>> monitoring > >>>>>>>>> contents of the meetings and some them up." > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ... so again. i see no reason why minutes will not be taken and > >>>>>>> recorded. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> What I would like to see and I think what Mike is getting at is a > >>>>> wiki > >>>>>>>> page either on the main wiki or somewhere on phab, which atleast > >>>>> lists > >>>>>>>> all the links to the meeting summaries rather then just having > >>>>> obscure > >>>>>>>> phab links to them. Even better would be if all the summaries were > >>>>> also > >>>>>>>> just in one page so you didn't have to click links to follow the > >>>>>>>> previous meetings. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yep, thats what i want to do on this page and the linked pages > >>>>>>> https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/meetings/ :). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Cheers > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > >>>>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> enlightenment-devel mailing list > >>>>>>>> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > >>>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> enlightenment-devel mailing list > >>>>>>> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > >>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> enlightenment-devel mailing list > >>>>>> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > >> -------------- > >>>>> Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > >>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> enlightenment-devel mailing list > >>>> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >>>> > >>> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> enlightenment-devel mailing list > >>> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >>> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > >> _______________________________________________ > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list > >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
