On 30/04/2019 21:39, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 18:30:20 +0930 Simon Lees <sfl...@suse.de> said:
On 30/04/2019 17:40, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 15:20:19 -0700 Ross Vandegrift <r...@kallisti.us> said:
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 05:30:33AM +0000, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
I think everyone is missing the point. What you are saying is true but
that is why then they say if you want newer stuff to use a PPA for it
even though its not in the main repo's
Yes, anyone can make a PPA. But you're talking to the maintainers of
distro packaging - we try to put packages into distros for real :)
and i think this was covered - a stable distro release that will not upgrade
meson out of principle (that's the definition of stable) isn't going to
upgrade efl either for the same reasons... so i think the topic is kind of
moot. if someone wants to make pkgs for such distros they can create
upgraded meson packages too etc. if they want to go the "all done by pkgs"
path :)
This is kind of right, in an openSUSE context for a new service pack we
probably won't update Meson because it effects alot but we can update
efl / e because it doesn't affect as much, we could also add it if it
didn't exist. Further if a new version of efl fixed a serious bug that
was hard to backport we would also take the version update.
tho meson doesn't affect THAT much... it's a build tool not a "runtime tool". it
isn't int he realms of libc, Xserver, bash etc.
Yeah there's a lot of stuff thats using meson to build now, and a meson
update effects any updates we do for anything thats built with it due to
needing full QA cycles to verify that the package was built correctly
which is why enterprise distro's prefer not to update build tools mid cycle.
In ubuntu's case from memory the service packs tend to only be a new
installer containing all the updates so its probably less likely, but I
don't remember how ubuntu works 100% so I could be wrong.
in our case if a new efl needs a new meson, then... that's what it needs and an
efl upgrade is not likely to happen then from the core distro. ppa's and
equivalents can manage to fill that gap. this problem will go away over time as
meson matures etc. etc. so this is a short-term problem as such. :)
Yep but in openSUSE's case that may mean keeping e22 through all the
leap 15.X releases which I really don't want to do because I cant
support it, so welcome back to the world of having bugs reported that
are already fixed.
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