On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:24:56 +0200 Nicolas Aguirre <aguirre.nico...@gmail.com> said:
> Hi, > > 2011/10/28 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <barbi...@profusion.mobi>: > > Hello all, > > > > I'm writing this mail so it's unified and everyone can opine without > > being in one place at one time (IRC/#edevelop). > > > > Recently I've talked to people and while I tried to express it at IRC, > > raster just got pissed and left. Later people would join and agree > > with me... so while I'm looking like a jerk I guess I'm not alone in > > there. I'll try to be as clear and short as possible. > > > > WHY RELEASE? > > 1. to clarify we know some snapshot is usable. This will get us in > > more distributions by default. > > 2. to remove that stupid karma over the 17 number if e. Will help > > people that do not track us closely to know we're reasonable serious. > > 3. we can start to bring in new technology without delaying it even > > further (ie: elm and scripting language - js/elev8) > > > > WHY NOT RELEASE? > > 1. there are both bugs (eg: efm) > > 2. missing features (xrandr, taskbar, ...) > > taskbar ? engage is much better than taskbar, why it's not in e17 ? it requires compositing to work vaguely decently. > > > > EXTRA DISCUSSIONS > > * e_widgets is amazingly boring and gets in the way, people expect > > something like Elementary to help them. Or even better, for rarely > > used features like a mixer control dialog, xrandr dialog, connection > > manager configuration these things could be done with a high level > > language such as elev8. Thus lots of people would be motivated to help > > get more features in. But introducing this now would delay e17 even > > more, thus a no go. (Personal note I'm highly demotivated to hack e17 > > due this exact reason. Doing a mixer dialog in e_widget is like few > > days, in elev8 it should take me few hours -- easier to find than few > > days) > > > > * we'd like to have an officially supported and widely accepted > > high level language. While I've created and maintained Python, seems > > it's hatted and going nowhere. So if it's Python, Lua or JS it > > doesn't matter, but we need one for most boring things like > > configuration dialogs and non-critical paths... (READ: I don't want it > > to be in composite manager, eborder, etc -- tho I'm open to have them > > in gadcon) > > I'm not completly convinced by scripting language, but i would like to > see more code using it, to use it myself, who know's i could fallen in > love for javascript ... > > > > > > > AFTER RELEASE: I propose time-based releases, every 3 months we cook a > > snap and put it out. Seems to work well for everyone out there, can't > > see why it wouldn't work. IMO we can't have feature based snaps > > because we don't have enough manpower to do this promises. > > Longer release cycles are problematic as "wait my nice feature to get > > in, it's one more week! Otherwise I'll have to wait 6+ months to get > > it in!" and then this repeats forever as we see now. > > > > Snap every 3 month is doable IMO. And as long as elementary is not > released, we can't release e based on it ... > > > > > > BUT USERS WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT MISSING FEATURES: common argument for > > xrandr, keyboard languages, taskbar. Users will complain, period. > > We'll never be able to cope with minimum features, as this changes > > from person to person. Moreover, the more we wait, the more we have to > > do. Right now all other desktops implement the new systray and > > application menu protocols, really soon this will be "a bare minimum" > > for some users. There is proper PulseAudio mixer. Proper > > ConnMan/NetworkManager. Soon we'll have the user-session and seat > > management that GNOME is doing with systemd... This list is lways > > growing. But we're short on human resources. Having a release and > > getting Elev8 into E would help bringing more people to help. > > > > MY PROPOSAL: just fix the remaining efm bugs and other outstanding > > crashes and do a release as is. Remove the e17 karma and get back to > > normal life, get e18, e19... and things go into them as fast as we > > can. > > I totally agree with you. > > > > > > > > > -- > > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > http://profusion.mobi embedded systems > > -------------------------------------- > > MSN: barbi...@gmail.com > > Skype: gsbarbieri > > Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The demand for IT networking professionals continues to grow, and the > > demand for specialized networking skills is growing even more rapidly. > > Take a complimentary Learning@Cisco Self-Assessment and learn > > about Cisco certifications, training, and career opportunities. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/cisco-dev2dev > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > -- > Nicolas Aguirre > Mail: aguirre.nico...@gmail.com > Web: http://enna.geexbox.org > Blog: http://dev.enlightenment.fr/~captainigloo/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The demand for IT networking professionals continues to grow, and the > demand for specialized networking skills is growing even more rapidly. > Take a complimentary Learning@Cisco Self-Assessment and learn > about Cisco certifications, training, and career opportunities. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/cisco-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your Android app more play: Bring it to the BlackBerry PlayBook in minutes. 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