Sorry David, but what we are trying to show is that we have a psychological problem. Going code to solve the technical problem is not solving the worst one, the psychological.
At IRC we also talked about the shameful behavior post 1.0 EFL. We did a release since the technical details were over, yet we failed to overcome the psychological problem and no releases after it. Even tho major bugs were fixed (stable bugfix) and great amount of features were done (new release). There is no point in argue about the technical bits. Those are easy and we like to solve them. We have to fix the hard problem that nobody wants to handle. Ignore it won't help. As kakaroto pointed out the current behavior just scares new developers and demotivates existing (I'm included here). Then we have less people to help as we are isolating the project to the point we have just 1-3 developers doing actual code. :-( Even the non code issues are problematic. There was a guy doing the website and without any help he left. Then another guy came and the process repeated. The first email was "I've seen this before and you are going nowhere" and he also left. For theme I've tried o help with efenniht and same behavior make us tired of going against a wall and doing catch-up with the default. I've tried to help detourious but maybe the same thing will happen, as elementary theme is FAR from ready and the code evolves without people fixing detourious. Yes, pychology plays a great role in community and we are very bad at it. See the contribution rate of unpaid developers (not from profusion, samsung or ordissimo) :-( On Sunday, October 30, 2011, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 07:34:57 -0400 Youness Alaoui > <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net> wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 4:42 AM, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:07:30 -0400 Youness Alaoui >> > <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net> wrote: >> > >> > > The purpose of this thread (and probably all the previous >> > > discussions) is to get a point across, the release is needed, and >> > > most people think that there is no point in delaying it, but if >> > > you're too stubborn on that, maybe that's the reason no release >> > > was ever made, not about people not contributing (which btw, >> > > seeing how you sometimes answer aggressively, it might actually >> > > have scared away contributors). >> > >> > Most people? You have numbers to back that up? >> > >> > I'm not even seeing that on this thread, just the people that want >> > the quick release making the most noise. >> > >> No, I don't have any hard numbers for you, but this is the impression >> I got from this thread as well as from users I've talked to. I didn't >> say "everyone", I did say "most people" and yes, I do believe that to >> be true. Since I can't prove it with any scientific number, let's >> just rephrase as "some people", I don't see how that invalidates any >> of the other stuff I said, unless you want to look for the little >> misplaced word in every sentence I wrote. > > You said that it's the point of the thread. That's not every little > misplaced word in every sentence, that's your executive summary of > your main point. Your point being "most people think" is a whole other > kettle of fish from your point being "some people think". > > The consensus does seem to be that there wont be an e17 release until > after the EFL 1.1 release anyway. The amount of passion and time we are > spending arguing over the exact timing of that e17 release could be > better spent actually working on that e17 TODO and the EFL release. > > How about we work on it, then see how much e17 TODO is left after the > EFL 1.1 release. That will be a better time to argue you case, when it > wont distract people from the work that needs to be done. Perhaps by > then it will be moot, and the TODO is completed. > > -- > A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants > coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. > -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -------------------------------------- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your Android app more play: Bring it to the BlackBerry PlayBook in minutes. BlackBerry App World™ now supports Android™ Apps for the BlackBerry® PlayBook™. Discover just how easy and simple it is! http://p.sf.net/sfu/android-dev2dev _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
