On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 03:11:42 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> said: > >> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:54 AM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> >> wrote: >> > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 02:33:22 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> said: >> > >> >> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:41 AM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com >> >> <hannes.janet...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:40 AM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com >> >> > <hannes.janet...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Enlightenment SVN >> >> >> <no-re...@enlightenment.org> wrote: >> >> >>> Log: >> >> >>> THEMES/detorious: subtle fade of menu separator endings. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> This is less boring than the old one that looked like Windows95 :-) >> >> >>> >> >> >> not really liking this one. the full width menu separator is a really >> >> >> distinguishing feature to me. was hard to get this working in gtk-2.0 >> >> >> and impossible in gtk-3.0 so far. >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.khohar.com/it/hardware/image027.jpg see the difference? >> >> >> >> >> > yours is more like win95 :P >> >> >> >> What you mean? it starts fading around 20px on each side, while win95 >> >> is a hard end. I still think that separators should even be lighter >> >> in color, with more vertical space. Will look nice, I can try it after >> >> I'm done with connman (finishing it right now) >> > >> > speaking of themes... detorious is quite nice - i'd consider it for a >> > default. it'd need more things in it that cover what it misses (from >> > default). are you thinking it's worth fixing up and moving to (just require >> > that it is fixed up to handle all things as default has a requirement to do >> > that). >> >> Yes, otherwise it may never catch up. If everyone focus on one theme >> it will easily replace default.edc > > sure - agreed. e17 theme tho isn't changing much, so if you just merge in the > missing bits by copying edc/images from default - that'd work for now. > >> One thing is that our themes are bit extensive, and it would be good >> to have new icons as well. But we are still trying to do every icon >> for everything, then lots of work. >> >> Marina, gnome, kde, macos and even windows removed small icons from >> menu and most lists. I've discussed this with you already, it's hard >> to see the icons (except for you, eagle eyes ;-P), it's hard to do >> them. By removing some icons that are basically meaningless we could >> help that, leaving few icons to be reworked to provide fresh look (ie: >> most configuration icons means nothing, try to figure out what those >> key, window et al mean without reading the labels). > > i do see your point about all the icons adding to work - BUT... here's my > take: > it's good to have them. here is an example that MOST people can't identify > with > as they have never been there. > > i moved to japan. i didn't read, speak or write japanese. as its not using > latin > alphabets.. it's actually IMPOSSIBLE to even understand what a menu says - you > can't guess. its unintelligible squiggles and lines. i literally would spend > ages hunting through phone menus trying everything to finally find the setting > to change to english. at one time i was in front of a mac... in japanese.. but > unlike the phones... it HAD ICONS. i quickly hunted down settings and could > change things even without changing language - the icons were absolutely KEY > to > that. i know most people might not agree - they may never have had that > experience before, but i'm REALLY REALLY REALLY keen on having them for > exactly > this reason. if everyone spoke the sample language and used the same alphabet > world-wide it'd be a moot point and icons would only be a prettification. > > (as a side note. i noticed when i started learning kanji (chinese characters) > i > became very fast at reading them - even when zooming past on a train, i knew > what train station it was - i read the kanji because they were basically > icons. > they were immediately recognizable much like the icons we use for toilets > world-wide and many other things, so icons speed up use once you become > familiar with them). > > now i DO agree that we have many icons that don't convey meaning very well and > we should address that. really bad ones we should remove and/or replace with a > holder icon so we know it needs work. if you see some of the worst ones - just > do that. we can work our way through over time - this doesn't have to all be > done for a release, but it'd be nice.
I know this case and your opinion on this matter. Let's say you're hurting a lot the common case due a very rare corner case. Usually when these things happen you ask someone to help ;-) Anyway, I could direct you to dozen websites explaining why it is bad, particularly similar icons (you suggest "holder icon"), as they become noise. But I'm not in the mood to get into another discussion for nothing. So do as you wish, no fights this time :-) BTW, I have Marina's icon for CPU & Temp, but I don't use them and I think they should not exist for a desktop or laptops nowadays (I also know the reasons, but AFAIK they are all fixed in the proper places, like the kernel). So if someone wants to convert these gadgets to similar look & feel, let me know. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -------------------------------------- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
